DeeTillEhDeh Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 As I'd hope most sensible British institutions were! Don't see it though. You think that having 4 seperate articles as the 4 main headlines, effectively repeating the same thing, is acceptable? It's classic divide and rule tactics. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: You think that having 4 seperate articles as the 4 main headlines, effectively repeating the same thing, is acceptable? It's classic divide and rule tactics. To be fair they're just linking old articles that are related to the current story, it's standard practice. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 To be fair they're just linking old articles that are related to the current story, it's standard practice.It is in fairness, they do that all the time. Don't like the BBC but don't think they are biased on this occasion, it's a pretty big story tbf. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: 25 minutes ago, welshbairn said: To be fair they're just linking old articles that are related to the current story, it's standard practice. It is in fairness, they do that all the time. Don't like the BBC but don't think they are biased on this occasion, it's a pretty big story tbf. People are certainly trying to make it one, a weird mix of Unionists and disgruntled Salmond, Cherry and Wings fanboys. I personally don't think it matters at all whether she first heard about the allegations 3 days before she remembered. And the rest of it seems to be whatsapp gossip about it, as you'd get in any organization when juicy rumours start flying. Edited January 23, 2021 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 To be fair they're just linking old articles that are related to the current story, it's standard practice.If they show previous articles it is more often within the article page itself not the front page. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 If they show previous articles it is more often within the article page itself not the front page. That's also true - fair point 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 15 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: 56 minutes ago, welshbairn said: To be fair they're just linking old articles that are related to the current story, it's standard practice. If they show previous articles it is more often within the article page itself not the front page. Nah. They often have links to related articles on the front page. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 (edited) On 21/01/2021 at 12:34, MixuFruit said: Once someone pointed out the annoying habit of In Our Time people talking about historic events in the present tense I couldn't listen to it again. A billion times this. It's called the historic present I think. Completely does my fucking head in And Mary Queen of Scots goes to Linthlithgow Palace Edit: almost all historical documentaries etc do this, but the Wikipedia page doesn't mention that at all - surprising, as I'd say that's the most common use of it - it's certainly the only context I come across it anyway https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_present Edited January 23, 2021 by madwullie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 (edited) Need to go and listen to Mike Duncan's Revolutions and see if this commits this sin. ETA: he does not Edited January 23, 2021 by NotThePars 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoustie Young Guvnor Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 BBC has now slipped below Channel 5 to become the least trusted news service in Britain. Bearing in mind they are the only one legally obliged to be impartial that is quite an indictment. We can't all be wrong. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SANTAN Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 10 minutes ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said: BBC has now slipped below Channel 5 to become the least trusted news service in Britain. Bearing in mind they are the only one legally obliged to be impartial that is quite an indictment. We can't all be wrong. It would also be impossible for everyone to be right. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Stormzy said: It would also be impossible for everyone to be right. I used to think this - that those on the left think it's biased, and those on the right think it's biased, so that might indicate that it isn't. But their coverage of Scottish independence has been shocking, many many examples more than those given up the thread... and as you yourself said, as a British institution you'd expect them to be like that. So that doesn't really help change my opinion. Edited January 23, 2021 by madwullie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 I used to think this - that those on the left think it's biased, and those on the right think it's biased, so that might indicate that it isn't. But their coverage of Scottish independence has been shocking, many many examples more than those given up the thread... and as you yourself said, as a British institution you'd expect them to be like that. So that doesn't really help change my opinion. It was their coverage of the referendum that made up my mind, too.Blowing certain stories up, and burying others. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SANTAN Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 59 minutes ago, madwullie said: I used to think this - that those on the left think it's biased, and those on the right think it's biased, so that might indicate that it isn't. But their coverage of Scottish independence has been shocking, many many examples more than those given up the thread... and as you yourself said, as a British institution you'd expect them to be like that. So that doesn't really help change my opinion. Of course there will be individual instances but I struggle to see it as some concerted effort as opposed to isolated instances. You would surely agree that with any news outlet some people will feel irked by certain topics that they're personally invested in? That's not to say biases don't exist and can be rightly called out. I think this thread probably will have some intriguing posts but I can't help but think about the boy who cried wolf with a lot of posts. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SANTAN Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, madwullie said: I used to think this - that those on the left think it's biased, and those on the right think it's biased, so that might indicate that it isn't. But their coverage of Scottish independence has been shocking, many many examples more than those given up the thread... and as you yourself said, as a British institution you'd expect them to be like that. So that doesn't really help change my opinion. Double post. Edited January 23, 2021 by Stormzy -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 7 minutes ago, Stormzy said: Of course there will be individual instances but I struggle to see it as some concerted effort as opposed to isolated instances. Were you not the one who recently highlighted the Chomsky retort to Marr? I've posted excerpts from Tom Mill's book on the BBC which highlights among other things a hiring policy that was vetted by the security services. It's not a leap from there to suggest that undesirables are weeded out which skewers the coverage. 9 minutes ago, Stormzy said: think this thread probably will have some intriguing posts but I can't help but think about the boy who cried wolf with a lot of posts. Don't disagree with this tbh lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Nederlander Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 54 minutes ago, pandarilla said: It was their coverage of the referendum that made up my mind, too. Blowing certain stories up, and burying others. The Salmond/Robinson exchange sticks out for me. I listened to it live on the radio when I was in the car - at the time I was intending to vote No and remember thinking it was a doozy of a question but I was really impressed with Salmond's answer, he broke the question down, ripped it to shreds really. Even as a Yoon I was gobsmacked by how it was reported on the news, it fucking angered me tbh. I put a weekend with some good friends down as the clincher for me with regards to Scotland running itself but it was sh't like that that had me on my way. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Stormzy said: Of course there will be individual instances but I struggle to see it as some concerted effort as opposed to isolated instances. You would surely agree that with any news outlet some people will feel irked by certain topics that they're personally invested in? That's not to say biases don't exist and can be rightly called out. I think this thread probably will have some intriguing posts but I can't help but think about the boy who cried wolf with a lot of posts. Happy to be shown instances of them being biased towards independence. In the absence of those, and given the many many examples of bias the other way, I'll continue to consider it institutional rather than a few mavericks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 It was their coverage of the referendum that made up my mind, too.Blowing certain stories up, and burying others. Yeh mentioned that earlier not only did they bury positive stories they also burried retractions to negative stories when pulled up on them. RBS being a prime example.. Main news plastered everywhere then when the RBS top dog came out and said nothing will be moved apart from a plaque, you actually had to actively seek for the retraction. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoustie Young Guvnor Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 20 minutes ago, Ned Nederlander said: The Salmond/Robinson exchange sticks out for me. I listened to it live on the radio when I was in the car - at the time I was intending to vote No and remember thinking it was a doozy of a question but I was really impressed with Salmond's answer, he broke the question down, ripped it to shreds really. Even as a Yoon I was gobsmacked by how it was reported on the news, it fucking angered me tbh. I put a weekend with some good friends down as the clincher for me with regards to Scotland running itself but it was sh't like that that had me on my way. You know what angers me about that, well the event does too, but several times since then whilst appealing on panel shows Robinson has said in an incredibly smarmy tone that 'Salmond objected to being robustly questioned', absolute fucking shite, Salmond and the people of Scotland objected to bare faced fucking lies being told is what happened. Would love someone to pull him up about that. They've created a false narrative around it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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