rb123! Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 28 minutes ago, Hawk89 said: Googled him, Detective Superintendent in the MET police.. Hopefully he might improve the defence a bit then... I'll get my coat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BukyOHare Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, D'Jaffo said: It’s not “yer da stuff”. Your asking a full back to play in a more advanced attacking role where there’s more to it than getting to the byline and crossing the ball. Harvie doesn’t have the attributes to play as a winger. When does Forrest or McCowan do that btw? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Venom Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Harvie possibly does have the attributes to be a good attacking player, but his game might also benefit from him having the whole game in front of him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Jaffo Posted January 8, 2020 Author Share Posted January 8, 2020 When does Forrest or McCowan do that btw? They don’t that’s the point. Harvie does and if he played in Forrest’s position you’d be expecting him to do more. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BukyOHare Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, D'Jaffo said: They don’t that’s the point. Harvie does and if he played in Forrest’s position you’d be expecting him to do more. Cutting in from an advanced wide area wouldnt inconvenience Harvie either. His moment of glory against Dundee United being exhibit a. Being played into the channels against lumbering Centre halves could see him develop even further. I wouldn't be so quick to say he couldn't do it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Drifter Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 37 minutes ago, BukyOHare said: Its a bit of a step to say that 2 year contracts are long term surely? But there's more than one way to skin a cat and say we offer £ x hundred per week and build in incentives and / or percentages payable to the player based on what Dundee Utd, Coventry or whoever offer us when the time comes for the player to move on, then surely its a win win for the player and us as a club. Let's get away from being seen as a bit of a soft touch in the transfer market, behind closed doors the decision makers at the club have to fight tooth and nail to get some middle ground for all parties here. Primarily so our best assets dont continually leave for free. If we can start becoming a bit more creative in our thinking we can perhaps start being in a position to pay nominal fees and build up a kitty to reinvest or bolster a transfer budget. Such clauses were declared illegal by FIFA about 3 or 4 years ago, as payments to 3rd parties, albeit recent rulings have changed the view again and they are now allowed to be included in contracts again. As Robbo says though this perception that exists that young players are just desperate to sign longer term contracts is generally nonsense. They all think they can do better and none of them think the career ending injury might happen to them. It's the way of the world. Players aren't completely stupid. They know they limit their own bargaining position if they accept longer term contracts and generally at our level they won't take them. Family men, settling down with a mortgage might, and guys at the top level who are already earning what they reasonably think they can might. Young players with ambition won't. 32 minutes ago, D'Jaffo said: He’s playing second fiddle to the best left back in the league at the minute. He’ll probably get more of a chance next season when Harvie leaves. I didn't even know Kevin Holt played fiddle let alone had someone backing him up on it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Jaffo Posted January 8, 2020 Author Share Posted January 8, 2020 Cutting in from an advanced wide area wouldnt inconvenience Harvie either. His moment of glory against Dundee United being exhibit a. Being played into the channels against lumbering Centre halves could see him develop even further. I wouldn't be so quick to say he couldn't do it. You’ve picked the one instance that he’s actually scored a goal. It’ll take more than that to convince me or Mark Kerr that he can play further up. I didn't even know Kevin Holt played fiddle let alone had someone backing him up on it.If Kevin Holt did play the fiddle then Daniel Harvie would be better than him at that as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BukyOHare Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, D'Jaffo said: You’ve picked the one instance that he’s actually scored a goal. It’ll take more than that to convince me or Mark Kerr that he can play further up. If Kevin Holt did play the fiddle then Daniel Harvie would be better than him at that as well. I'm not here to convince you or anyone else, it's an opinion, not high school debating. Ps how do you know what Mark Kerr thinks? Edited January 8, 2020 by BukyOHare 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Drifter Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 1 minute ago, D'Jaffo said: If Kevin Holt did play the fiddle then Daniel Harvie would be better than him at that as well. Harvie's ok. I suspect he saves his poorer performances for games against us rather than is really as average as he sometimes looks. He had an absolute "should have been hooked before half time" nightmare in our 5-0 win last season and hasn't looked great in the head to heads this season either but I've seen him play well on tv. I wouldn't take him over Holt or probably Jordan Marshall. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Jaffo Posted January 8, 2020 Author Share Posted January 8, 2020 Harvie's ok. I suspect he saves his poorer performances for games against us rather than is really as average as he sometimes looks. He had an absolute "should have been hooked before half time" nightmare in our 5-0 win last season and hasn't looked great in the head to heads this season either but I've seen him play well on tv. I wouldn't take him over Holt or probably Jordan Marshall.He was very very inconsistent last season to the point some fans were saying Paddy Boyle, who struggled in League 1 with us, should’ve been retained. Funnily enough I think we only signed him after Jordan Marshall re-signed with you guys. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Jaffo Posted January 8, 2020 Author Share Posted January 8, 2020 Ps how do you know what Mark Kerr thinks? It’s an opinion as some would say. If Mark Kerr plays Harvie further forward then I’ll eat as many hats as you would like. I’m surprised you’ve not mentioned the game that he played as a wing back against Arbroath and looked pretty lost. I’d be surprised if Kerr did that again considering how poor he was. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BukyOHare Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, D'Jaffo said: It’s an opinion as some would say. If Mark Kerr plays Harvie further forward then I’ll eat as many hats as you would like. I’m surprised you’ve not mentioned the game that he played as a wing back against Arbroath and looked pretty lost. I’d be surprised if Kerr did that again considering how poor he was. Maybe he didnt have Forrest to link up with. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Jaffo Posted January 8, 2020 Author Share Posted January 8, 2020 Maybe he didnt have Forrest to link up with. [emoji6]Exactly 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 2 hours ago, THEHonestman1910 said: The trailist to the reserve game yesterday was Darren Curtis. Hope we sign him to see all the VLs raging we are signing players from the juniors buy also demanding Moff plays. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, D'Jaffo said: It’s an opinion as some would say. If Mark Kerr plays Harvie further forward then I’ll eat as many hats as you would like. I’m surprised you’ve not mentioned the game that he played as a wing back against Arbroath and looked pretty lost. I’d be surprised if Kerr did that again considering how poor he was. They brought McCowan on to give him someone to link up with in that game. So agree. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finlay21 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Skyline Drifter said: Harvie's ok. I suspect he saves his poorer performances for games against us rather than is really as average as he sometimes looks. He had an absolute "should have been hooked before half time" nightmare in our 5-0 win last season and hasn't looked great in the head to heads this season either but I've seen him play well on tv. I wouldn't take him over Holt or probably Jordan Marshall. Harvie has 3 Premiership clubs looking at him , I take it he’s not too bad a player !! Edited January 8, 2020 by Robbo63 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BukyOHare Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, Robbo63 said: Harvie has 3 Premiership clubs looking at him , I take it he’s not too bad a player !! PSG, Barcelona and Man City all chasing Holt and Marshall though. Its all relative. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Drifter Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 13 minutes ago, Robbo63 said: Harvie has 3 Premiership clubs looking at him , I take it he’s not too bad a player !! I never said he was a bad player (although I highlighted one rank awful game). I'm sure he's a very good left back. You don't get as many good reviews as he has without having something about him. Lawrence Shankland has also persistently done bugger all against us, I'm not suggesting he's a bad player either. Premiership clubs are always looking for potential though. Harvie is young with the potential to get better. He probably is seen as being a better prospect than Marshall, he certainly has a physical size advantage. Premiership club are far less likely to look at Holt who has had several years at that level already, is on a long term contract at Queens and is settled with his family in the area. It doesn't mean he's not a better player at this point (doesn't mean he is either, that's just a matter of opinion). There wouldn't have been Premiership scouts looking at Stephen Dobbie in the last couple of seasons either, but he has been the best player at this level for about the last three years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Jaffo Posted January 8, 2020 Author Share Posted January 8, 2020 Hope we sign him to see all the VLs raging we are signing players from the juniors buy also demanding Moff plays. Are we actually having a look at him or is he just there making up the numbers? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEHonestman1910 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, D'Jaffo said: Are we actually having a look at him or is he just there making up the numbers? Judging by how small the bench was for the reserves last night, it could be just making up the numbers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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