Hursty Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, Robbo63 said: You have soon real good points there , but good young players don’t want to sign long term contracts with clubs with a pay structure like us and at least another 4/5 teams in our league , Ecropont did get a 3 year contract but as a youngster on a contract that not many established players would consider , only people who will sign that type of contract is players hoping to break into team through academy etc Not necessarily - Harvie signed a 2 year deal with us when we were newly promoted- he was a Scotland u19 / u21 fringe player and had a season in the championship under his belt at the time as well. The likes of Houston would surely be happy to commit to 2 years if he was released by Rangers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finlay21 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hursty said: Not necessarily - Harvie signed a 2 year deal with us when we were newly promoted- he was a Scotland u19 / u21 fringe player and had a season in the championship under his belt at the time as well. The likes of Houston would surely be happy to commit to 2 years if he was released by Rangers. I have never said anything against 2 year contracts, my point all along has been on Ayr giving longer than 2 years that a lot of people are asking for 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rb123! Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 The trailist to the reserve game yesterday was Darren Curtis. Who 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk89 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, rb123! said: 1 hour ago, THEHonestman1910 said: The trailist to the reserve game yesterday was Darren Curtis. Who Googled him, Detective Superintendent in the MET police.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BukyOHare Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 18 minutes ago, Robbo63 said: You have soon real good points there , but good young players don’t want to sign long term contracts with clubs with a pay structure like us and at least another 4/5 teams in our league , Ecropont did get a 3 year contract but as a youngster on a contract that not many established players would consider , only people who will sign that type of contract is players hoping to break into team through academy etc Its a bit of a step to say that 2 year contracts are long term surely? But there's more than one way to skin a cat and say we offer £ x hundred per week and build in incentives and / or percentages payable to the player based on what Dundee Utd, Coventry or whoever offer us when the time comes for the player to move on, then surely its a win win for the player and us as a club. Let's get away from being seen as a bit of a soft touch in the transfer market, behind closed doors the decision makers at the club have to fight tooth and nail to get some middle ground for all parties here. Primarily so our best assets dont continually leave for free. If we can start becoming a bit more creative in our thinking we can perhaps start being in a position to pay nominal fees and build up a kitty to reinvest or bolster a transfer budget. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alert Mongoose Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 What’s happened to the young lad Ecrepont? Was well thought of and would have expected him to be pushing for a first team place by now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEHonestman1910 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Just now, Alert Mongoose said: What’s happened to the young lad Ecrepont? Was well thought of and would have expected him to be pushing for a first team place by now. He won't get passed Harvie right now. Next season if Harvie goes, he should feature a lot more. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Jaffo Posted January 8, 2020 Author Share Posted January 8, 2020 What’s happened to the young lad Ecrepont? Was well thought of and would have expected him to be pushing for a first team place by now.He’s playing second fiddle to the best left back in the league at the minute. He’ll probably get more of a chance next season when Harvie leaves. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BukyOHare Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, THEHonestman1910 said: He won't get passed Harvie right now. Next season if Harvie goes, he should feature a lot more. Any argument for saying we could play Harvie further forward and give Ecrepont some much needed game time? Especially if Forrest does leave. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alert Mongoose Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, D'Jaffo said: He’s playing second fiddle to the best left back in the league at the minute. He’ll probably get more of a chance next season when Harvie leaves. Ah right. Had it in my mind that he was a centre half. Harvie is a cracking player though so no surprise he is struggling to get in the first team. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEHonestman1910 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 1 minute ago, BukyOHare said: Any argument for saying we could play Harvie further forward and give Ecrepont some much needed game time? Especially if Forrest does leave. Not replacing Forrest and just pushing Harvie forward would be a cheap move. Our squad is already light as it is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Jaffo Posted January 8, 2020 Author Share Posted January 8, 2020 Not replacing Forrest and just pushing Harvie forward would be a cheap move. Our squad is already light as it is. It’s the same as Robertson for Scotland where people think attacking fullbacks can be pushed on and used as wingers but a big part of being a full back is having that player in front of you to play off of. Most of the good stuff Harvie does involves playing passes into Forrest and running beyond him. It’s why he was so poor at times last year with Crawford playing well out of position in front of him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BukyOHare Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 The squad's light but Ecrepont hasn't featured and would be the equivalent of signing a new player. If he's good enough get him in the team and if Forrest does stay until the end of the season you can rest and rotate the youngster. Come the start of next season he could be flying. But also trying to get players at our end of the market in January is clearly a thankless task. Quality over quantity for me please. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk89 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Thought Ecrepont was pretty tidy when he came on against Wrexham, bit of a rough diamond but certainly had plenty about him. By all accounts he is very well thought of. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1nickydevlin Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 I can see ecrepont going out on loan .He's desperate for game time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BukyOHare Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, D'Jaffo said: It’s the same as Robertson for Scotland where people think attacking fullbacks can be pushed on and used as wingers but a big part of being a full back is having that player in front of you to play off of. Most of the good stuff Harvie does involves playing passes into Forrest and running beyond him. It’s why he was so poor at times last year with Crawford playing well out of position in front of him. Yer da stuff. He just finds other players to link up with. In a flexible talented team and formation, which we can be at our best, then Harvie has the attributes to be a threat in an advanced position. Edited January 8, 2020 by BukyOHare 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Venom Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Nah, it's not as simple as being a good attacking footback translates to being a good left midfielder. Players can and do make the transition, but it doesn't mean it's easily done across the board. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Jaffo Posted January 8, 2020 Author Share Posted January 8, 2020 Yer da stuff. He just find other players to link up with. In a flexible talented team and formation, which we can be at our best, then Harvie has the attributes to be a threat in an advanced position. It’s not “yer da stuff”.Your asking a full back to play in a more advanced attacking role where there’s more to it than getting to the byline and crossing the ball. Harvie doesn’t have the attributes to play as a winger. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BukyOHare Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Just now, Jeff Venom said: Nah, it's not as simple as being a good attacking footback translates to being a good left midfielder. Players can and do make the transition, but it doesn't mean it's easily done across the board. Of course its not easily done but with someone as talented as Harvie, I believe he could thrive in a more advanced starting position. All about opinions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BukyOHare Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 1 minute ago, D'Jaffo said: It’s not “yer da stuff”. Your asking a full back to play in a more advanced attacking role where there’s more to it than getting to the byline and crossing the ball. Harvie doesn’t have the attributes to play as a winger. Some experts said the same about Gareth Bale. Harvie's engine could be a real threat in advanced areas. Look at his goal against Dundee United at Somerset. He wasn't lacking in advanced areas that day. All about opinions though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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