Black and White Tragic Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/dundee/746593/teenager-fined-for-attempt-to-extort-money-from-businessman-she-met-on-sugar-daddy-website/ Nothing to do with Dundee Utd of course Interesting that extortion trumps child pornography in Dundee. It seems he started this by taking naked pictures of her breasts (she being 17 years old at the time) and using this to blackmail (extortion of sorts, not involving money) her into what we can only assume to be “favours”. AKA revenge porn offences in the making.She then used this as leverage to get cash, which was no doubt the point of them both subscribing to a Sugar Daddies website where the money only goes in one direction (so I’m told).Establishment allowing him to remain anonymous just shows how he indeed has friends in high places and you can only speculate as to what he has on the sheriff (he is able to work a camera) or if they are possibly members of the same lodge?Is this where I add “allegedly” just to be safe? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 6 minutes ago, Black and White Tragic said: Interesting that extortion trumps child pornography in Dundee. It seems he started this by taking naked pictures of her breasts (she being 17 years old at the time) and using this to blackmail (extortion of sorts, not involving money) her into what we can only assume to be “favours”. AKA revenge porn offences in the making. She then used this as leverage to get cash, which was no doubt the point of them both subscribing to a Sugar Daddies website where the money only goes in one direction (so I’m told). Establishment allowing him to remain anonymous just shows how he indeed has friends in high places and you can only speculate as to what he has on the sheriff (he is able to work a camera) or if they are possibly members of the same lodge? Is this where I add “allegedly” just to be safe? Probably waaaaay off topic for this thread but just read a bit in the Telegraph (not the Tele) where a businessman has paid £500k to a legal firm who have convinced the courts to supress information about NDA's that are protecting past 'indiscretions'. The difference probably being that these related to buying off victims of non consensual acts and racial abuse whereas the case you refer to seems to relate to consensual acts. In Scotland I don't think 17 would be claased as child pornography but it is still fucking creepy and despicable. There could be an argument that the public interest is not being served by protecting the identity of the businessman. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pull My Strings Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 42 minutes ago, Black and White Tragic said: Interesting that extortion trumps child pornography in Dundee. It seems he started this by taking naked pictures of her breasts (she being 17 years old at the time) and using this to blackmail (extortion of sorts, not involving money) her into what we can only assume to be “favours”. AKA revenge porn offences in the making. She then used this as leverage to get cash, which was no doubt the point of them both subscribing to a Sugar Daddies website where the money only goes in one direction (so I’m told). Establishment allowing him to remain anonymous just shows how he indeed has friends in high places and you can only speculate as to what he has on the sheriff (he is able to work a camera) or if they are possibly members of the same lodge? Is this where I add “allegedly” just to be safe? Are you being serious? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black and White Tragic Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Are you being serious?Serious? Which bit? This? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pull My Strings Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, Black and White Tragic said: Serious? Which bit? [/snip] This? I'll take that as a yes. You should probably be a bit more careful about how seriously you treat the uncorroborated submissions of defence counsel in mitigation for a self confessed extortionist. The facts of this case are known - this young woman had a relationship of some description with a wealthy man (one can only imagine what attracted her to him); when he stopped giving her money she blackmailed him; he went to the Police, she admitted her guilt and has now been sentenced. That's what happened. He hasn't been accused of any crime notwithstanding prurient quotes in the media. If the chap has committed a crime then someone should report that to the Police and it should be investigated. To be clear, she didn't threaten to expose a crime. That wouldn't be extortion. Mr A was apparently in a relationship - she threatened to expose his infidelity. Mr A appears to be a creep. That's a fair inference. It's absolutely not a fair inference that he's a criminal, far less a child pornographer. Final point is that it really shouldn't need to be explained why anonymity for victims of blackmail is important. Nothing to do with "friends in high places". 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black and White Tragic Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 I'll take that as a yes. You should probably be a bit more careful about how seriously you treat the uncorroborated submissions of defence counsel in mitigation for a self confessed extortionist. The facts of this case are known - this young woman had a relationship of some description with a wealthy man (one can only imagine what attracted her to him); when he stopped giving her money she blackmailed him; he went to the Police, she admitted her guilt and has now been sentenced. That's what happened. He hasn't been accused of any crime notwithstanding prurient quotes in the media. If the chap has committed a crime then someone should report that to the Police and it should be investigated. To be clear, she didn't threaten to expose a crime. That wouldn't be extortion. Mr A was apparently in a relationship - she threatened to expose his infidelity. Mr A appears to be a creep. That's a fair inference. It's absolutely not a fair inference that he's a criminal, far less a child pornographer. Final point is that it really shouldn't need to be explained why anonymity for victims of blackmail is important. Nothing to do with "friends in high places".Agreed. The paper calling her an extortionist if that is not in fact the crime she committed, caused me to take her defence as accepted, whilst mitigating. You also referred to her as such, so not just me.I think he's the one who needs to be a bit more careful though ;-) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishtergrolsch Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 So, which one of them is our new left back? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pull My Strings Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 33 minutes ago, Black and White Tragic said: Agreed. The paper calling her an extortionist if that is not in fact the crime she committed, caused me to take her defence as accepted, whilst mitigating. You also referred to her as such, so not just me. I think he's the one who needs to be a bit more careful though ;-) Sorry, you've lost me again. Just to be clear, she didn't put forward a defence. She was charged with an offence which amounted to extortion and she admitted her guilt. The comments in quotation marks in the Courier article (and elsewhere, no doubt) about photos of her breasts didn't form part of any trial and no findings were made on those points. She, personally, wouldn't have given any evidence at the hearing. Those comments are simply her lawyer recounting to the Court some things that she apparently said to him in an attempt to appeal for leniency in her sentencing. You shouldn't confuse them with actual evidence or findings of the Court. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Arab 83 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Crawford on STV news tonight saying "no" to a Tannadice move. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoomer Brown Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Dirty Arab 83 said: Crawford on STV news tonight saying "no" to a Tannadice move. hanging on for his sacking payout? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Dirty Arab 83 said: Crawford on STV news tonight saying "no" to a Tannadice move. Who? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoomer Brown Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Dirty Arab 83 said: Crawford on STV news tonight saying "no" to a Tannadice move. 31 minutes ago, banana said: Who? Michael Crawford, aka frank spencer, phantom of the opera and p t barnum 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 19 minutes ago, Zoomer Brown said: Michael Crawford, aka frank spencer, phantom of the opera and p t barnum Crackin, surely we can push out the boat... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Arab 83 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Who?STV.............Scottish Television ! [emoji85] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FifeArab Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 7 minutes ago, FifeArab said: I love Friday night games at Tannadice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Arab 83 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 I love Friday night games at Tannadice. One of the better changes made to the fixtures in recent years, Friday nights were made for football [emoji968][emoji968][emoji968][emoji968][emoji968][emoji968]-[emoji968][emoji968] [emoji6][emoji106] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 3 hours ago, Dirty Arab 83 said: STV.............Scottish Television ! ??? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishtergrolsch Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 On 25/10/2018 at 18:27, Dirty Arab 83 said: Crawford on STV news tonight saying "no" to a Tannadice move. Wish this wasnt the first time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabianKnight Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Well that's certainly an improvement last few games. Wish we had got Neilson before instead of now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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