What is the point of labour ?

[Granny Danger]

1 hour ago, Bully Wee Villa said:

I'd rather he'd fucked off, but "Keith" is terrible patter.

OK Billy.

[Clown Job]

Alright mate, you’re trying too hard 

 

[williemillersmoustache]

3 minutes ago, Clown Job said:

Alright mate, you’re trying too hard 

 

Hard to rule for the whole United Kingdom when he commands a mandate of less than 2% of the electorate in 1 of 4 nations and doesn't stand candidates in another.

Amazing how "ruling for the whole United Kingdom" always means "f**k Scotland' and "we're giving the minority of English racists everything they could possibly want" isn't it?

[Duries Air Freshener]

6 minutes ago, Clown Job said:

Alright mate, you’re trying too hard 

 

Once this latest referendum hoax is over, Nippy buggers off to an international job and SNP/partition support plummets, Labour will actually become a force in Scotland again.

The only reason they aren’t is because of the dominance of the constitutional question.

[dirty dingus]

Ah well that's England got about the width of a cigarette paper of political choices between 2 parties that have done their utmost to destroy any left voices or policies in parliament.

[dirty dingus]

8 minutes ago, Duries Air Freshener said:

Once this latest referendum hoax is over, Nippy buggers off to an international job and SNP/partition support plummets, Labour will actually become a force in Scotland again.

The only reason they aren’t is because of the dominance of the constitutional question.

You still posting after being unmasked and humiliated like the baddie in Scooby Doo for having multiple accounts? Chase yourself you sadsack.

[Anonapersona]

8 minutes ago, Duries Air Freshener said:

Once this latest referendum hoax is over, Nippy buggers off to an international job and SNP/partition support plummets, Labour will actually become a force in Scotland again.

The only reason they aren’t is because of the dominance of the constitutional question.

Labour.

Scotland.

Force.

[Duries Air Freshener]

2 minutes ago, dirty dingus said:

You still posting after being unmasked and humiliated like the baddie in Scooby Doo for having multiple accounts? Chase yourself you sadsack.

Multiple accounts?  You’ve got the wrong person.

[btb]

So Labour will work with the Tories and Lib-Dems but not the SNP. I trust we'll vote them down if we get an opportunity after the next election.

[Sherrif John Bunnell]

I don't know why Sturgeon would want to enter a coalition with Starmer's hard Brexit party.

[Clown Job]

26 minutes ago, btb said:

So Labour will work with the Tories and Lib-Dems but not the SNP. I trust we'll vote them down if we get an opportunity after the next election.

They’ll also work with the SDLP who shock horror want to take NI out of the precious union 

I’ve never believed independence was the issue for Labour, they just couldn’t accept they’ve been replaced as the main party in Scotland

[BigDoddyKane]

It probably makes sense for Starmer and Labour to have made that statement on Brexit. Rejoining wasnt going to happen in the short term so getting on with it and making "peace" with the EU and improving where possible the current fiasco is in the short term achievable and most likely to get support or at least not take away any support they need to win a GE. 

[Detournement]

1 hour ago, dirty dingus said:

Ah well that's England got about the width of a cigarette paper of political choices between 2 parties that have done their utmost to destroy any left voices or policies in parliament.

And Scotland has a left voice?

[dirty dingus]

7 minutes ago, Detournement said:

And Scotland has a left voice?

I would say SNP are centre left with some of their policies like free personal care for over 65s, free travel, free prescriptions and mitigating the bedroom tax.

[Detournement]

6 minutes ago, dirty dingus said:

I would say SNP are centre left with some of their policies like free personal care for over 65s, free travel, free prescriptions and mitigating the bedroom tax.

You get all that shit off Merkel or Macron as well and they are not left.

At the moment the main impact of those policies is increasing inequality.

[dirty dingus]

 

What's your idea  of left? Mines is it to try achieve more equality and better opportunity and not put up barriers whether sexual/race/religion  and help the less well off in the population by giving them a chance to better themselves like free university places and making the wealthy contribute more in society.

[Granny Danger]

1 hour ago, btb said:

So Labour will work with the Tories and Lib-Dems but not the SNP. I trust we'll vote them down if we get an opportunity after the next election.

If the Tories have more seats than Labour but Labour with the SNP are a majority (a very likely scenario) then approval of a Section 30 order must be the prerequisite for not abstaining in any vote on a new government.

Likewise if Labour is the biggest party but the combined SNP/Tory vote is a majority then the SNP should vote against the Budget unless a Section 30 is granted.

 

[BFTD]

3 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

If the Tories have more seats than Labour but Labour with the SNP are a majority (a very likely scenario) then approval of a Section 30 order must be the prerequisite for not abstaining in any vote on a new government.

Likewise if Labour is the biggest party but the combined SNP/Tory vote is a majority then the SNP should vote against the Budget unless a Section 30 is granted.

Then we vote no and permanently have no more influence over the running of the UK as Yorkshire.

Making deals based on a single Section 30 order is a dangerous move, considering what the trade-off is likely to be.

[Detournement]

48 minutes ago, dirty dingus said:

 

What's your idea  of left? Mines is it to try achieve more equality and better opportunity and not put up barriers whether sexual/race/religion  and help the less well off in the population by giving them a chance to better themselves like free university places and making the wealthy contribute more in society.

My idea of left is putting the vast majority of the population who are working class ahead of the interests of capitalists. 

The Scottish Government have limited powers but we are now at a point where there is a choice to be made about free university education for the children of the wealthy and free prescriptions for wealthy pensioners vs vital services for vulnerable people and food and heat for people in poverty. The SNP so far have chosen to prioritise the interests of their electorate over the most in need. That is not a left position.

And no doubt someone is already getting set up to bang on about the costs of means testing. That argument might have stood up a decade ago but in 2022 with the amount of data the government holds on us all it's utter pish wheeled out to close down uncomfortable arguments.

Edited July 8, 2022 by Detournement

[Granny Danger]

7 minutes ago, BFTD said:

Then we vote no and permanently have no more influence over the running of the UK as Yorkshire.

Making deals based on a single Section 30 order is a dangerous move, considering what the trade-off is likely to be.

That’s not how it works.  If we don’t support a Labour government in the two scenarios I have outlined then there would need to be a further GE within weeks.  Starmer would not risk that.

There would be no trade off beyond that, everything else would be done on a case by case basis.

On the other hand if we don’t use the opportunity to ensure a Section 30 the the SNP MPs would be as well packing their bags and coming home.