What is the point of Labour ?

[Granny Danger]

Sir Keeef managing to piss people off.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/23/anger-as-starmer-intervenes-to-back-closures-at-popular-primrose-hill

[Detournement]

1 hour ago, Granny Danger said:

Sir Keeef managing to piss people off.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/23/anger-as-starmer-intervenes-to-back-closures-at-popular-primrose-hill

It's just as well nothing like this could ever happen in Scotland under the SNP.

[NotThePars]

It's just as well nothing like this could ever happen in Scotland under the SNP.

This is what I mean when I say that pure contrarianism must be boring like just take a day aff and enjoy Sir Keir doing his level best to fall 20 points behind and personally lose his seat in 2024

[Detournement]

1 minute ago, NotThePars said:

 

This is what I mean when I say that pure contrarianism must be boring like just take a day aff and enjoy Sir Keir doing his level best to fall 20 points behind and personally lose his seat in 2024

 

I was actually talking to someone about the difference in reaction to George Floyd and Sheku Bayoh in Scotland despite it being the same thing just yesterday. Scottish exceptionalism is on my mind and on my tits. 

I am looking forward to 20 points behind day though. 

[NotThePars]

I was actually talking to someone about the difference in reaction to George Floyd and Sheku Bayoh in Scotland despite it being the same thing just yesterday. Scottish exceptionalism is on my mind and on my tits. 
I am looking forward to 20 points behind day though. 

Aye like the SNP are pretty shit and Scottish indy is full of neoliberal brains but it’s not like Corbyn is in power anymore normal service has resumed and we’re back to a limp dick Labour Party triangulating into permanent Jiminy Cricket opposition

[Detournement]

21 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

 

Aye like the SNP are pretty shit and Scottish indy is full of neoliberal brains but it’s not like Corbyn is in power anymore normal service has resumed and we’re back to a limp dick Labour Party triangulating into permanent Jiminy Cricket opposition

 

Kieth is getting roughly the correct amount of mockery and abuse. The SNP need their fair share. 

Did you see the New Left Review article on Sturgeon I linked to?

[John Lambies Doos]

@Detournement still not realising that the SNP is his best bet to an independent Scotland; thus allowing his pursuit of socialist utopia. Sometimes you gotta play smart and play long cause the other option is Torys for eternity

[jakedee]

@Detournement still not realising that the SNP is his best bet to an independent Scotland; thus allowing his pursuit of socialist utopia. Sometimes you gotta play smart and play long cause the other option is Torys for eternity

Perhaps he does, and rather than persue an Independent socialist utopia, is quite happy, like what's left of Slab supporters, to continue with a Tory Govt.

[Ira Gaines]

HB is a Tory in denial.

[NotThePars]

Nobody's getting a socialist utopia on these isles regardless of independence. Adjust your expectations. it's all a continued downward trajectory, baby!

[D Angelo Barksdale]

The point of independence is that we will at least be able to hit the breaks a bit before we slam head first into the wall.

[NotThePars]

The point of independence is that we will at least be able to hit the breaks a bit before we slam head first into the wall.

Which is still a very important thing to do, yes

[SANTAN]

13 hours ago, John Lambies Doos said:

@Detournement still not realising that the SNP is his best bet to an independent Scotland; thus allowing his pursuit of socialist utopia. Sometimes you gotta play smart and play long cause the other option is Torys for eternity

I don't know why everyone on here is so set on "Tories for eternity" perhaps I'm more optimistic but I can easily see Labour getting elected within the next decade if they play their cards right. Unfortunately for them it's a lot harder considering 90% of their Scottish support/seats have went off to support the SNP and chase their socialist Utopian pipe dream. 

If you're not actively supporting Labour then you can't snipe at the sidelines saying "tories 4 lyf" when you're helping that along the way. 

The way I see it is if you're a full blown socialist then go for the Indy vote, it won't work out as nicely as you'd like but you'll at least be able to call yourself progressive and socialist even if you end up in a shite state, nothing like the beloved Scandinavian utopias, poorer and with less life chances you'll at least be politically consistent and you can sleep on your integrity at night as a pillow. However if you're not that fussed about left/right and you don't have a burning desire to fully replace capitalism then you should grow up, support Labour, trojan horse your way into power, actually make some positive social change, like Blair, avoid doing any wars and remember to join Canzuk and we can all merrily get along in constant stability whilst enjoying holidays to Canada.

[NotThePars]

1 hour ago, Stormzy said:

but I can easily see Labour getting elected within the next decade if they play their cards right

There's a major problem with this and that's Labour playing their cards right.

[SANTAN]

16 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

There's a major problem with this and that's Labour playing their cards right.

Yeah I'm definitely adopting an optimistic approach. I think something people on this forum find hard to fathom is the fact that people quite like Bojo, even the ones that don't like him do the old "harmless buffoon" approach and minimise the political arguments. After he goes I don't see anyone in the Tories that can get the same sort of goodwill he receives, especially post "getting Brexit done" and post pandemic I can't see the typical red wall type floating voters sticking with a Gove type of leader. 

Edited May 24, 2021 by Stormzy

[Genuine Hibs Fan]

2 hours ago, Stormzy said:

I don't know why everyone on here is so set on "Tories for eternity" perhaps I'm more optimistic but I can easily see Labour getting elected within the next decade if they play their cards right. Unfortunately for them it's a lot harder considering 90% of their Scottish support/seats have went off to support the SNP and chase their socialist Utopian pipe dream. 

If you're not actively supporting Labour then you can't snipe at the sidelines saying "tories 4 lyf" when you're helping that along the way. 

The way I see it is if you're a full blown socialist then go for the Indy vote, it won't work out as nicely as you'd like but you'll at least be able to call yourself progressive and socialist even if you end up in a shite state, nothing like the beloved Scandinavian utopias, poorer and with less life chances you'll at least be politically consistent and you can sleep on your integrity at night as a pillow. However if you're not that fussed about left/right and you don't have a burning desire to fully replace capitalism then you should grow up, support Labour, trojan horse your way into power, actually make some positive social change, like Blair, avoid doing any wars and remember to join Canzuk and we can all merrily get along in constant stability whilst enjoying holidays to Canada.

Didn't realize John Rentoul posts on here. Big laughs at that interpretation of Blair (especially right next to "avoid doing any wars" 

[WhiteRoseKillie]

16 hours ago, NotThePars said:

 

Aye like the SNP are pretty shit and Scottish indy is full of neoliberal brains but it’s not like Corbyn is in power anymore normal service has resumed and we’re back to a limp dick Labour Party triangulating into permanent Jiminy Cricket opposition

 

..or, indeed, that he ever was. Starmer and the rest of the quislings saw to that. 

[NotThePars]

54 minutes ago, Stormzy said:

Yeah I'm definitely adopting an optimistic approach. I think something people on this forum find hard to fathom is the fact that people quite like Bojo, even the ones that don't like him do the old "harmless buffoon" approach and minimise the political arguments. After he goes I don't see anyone in the Tories that can get the same sort of goodwill he receives, especially post "getting Brexit done" and post pandemic I can't see the typical red wall type floating voters sticking with a Gove type of leader. 

The Tories only added an additional 300,000 votes in 2019 going by a very quick Google. It's not so much about that very solid bloc of voters falling behind the Tories although it is disturbing but also that people just appear to be deserting Labour long-term and the party having no idea or willingness to win them back.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

2 hours ago, Stormzy said:

I don't know why everyone on here is so set on "Tories for eternity" perhaps I'm more optimistic but I can easily see Labour getting elected within the next decade if they play their cards right. Unfortunately for them it's a lot harder considering 90% of their Scottish support/seats have went off to support the SNP and chase their socialist Utopian pipe dream. 

If you're not actively supporting Labour then you can't snipe at the sidelines saying "tories 4 lyf" when you're helping that along the way. 

The way I see it is if you're a full blown socialist then go for the Indy vote, it won't work out as nicely as you'd like but you'll at least be able to call yourself progressive and socialist even if you end up in a shite state, nothing like the beloved Scandinavian utopias, poorer and with less life chances you'll at least be politically consistent and you can sleep on your integrity at night as a pillow. However if you're not that fussed about left/right and you don't have a burning desire to fully replace capitalism then you should grow up, support Labour, trojan horse your way into power, actually make some positive social change, like Blair, avoid doing any wars and remember to join Canzuk and we can all merrily get along in constant stability whilst enjoying holidays to Canada.

"Get the same education as we all did for free, but pay for it. And if you can't afford an education, you could always join the Army. Not like I'll send you off to meddle in a war that bears no threat to Queen or Country, is it? And even if I did, and you come back missing bits, you'll be well taken care of."

Thatcher at least acted according to the ethics of her tribe. Blair betrayed the workers of this country in order to gain, and then abuse, power. 

[D Angelo Barksdale]

Labour are no longer a vehicle for meaningful change.

It's that simple.