EdiBairn Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Disappointed to see Matt Ritchie not being included. With the lack of quality we have, it's really complete lunacy not to be including players starting for top half EPL sides. Apart from that, it's positive to see guys like Cairney and McDonald who are playing at a high level being included again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, EdiBairn said: Disappointed to see Matt Ritchie not being included. With the lack of quality we have, it's really completely lunacy not to be including players starting for top half EPL sides. Apart from that, it's positive to see guys like Cairney and McDonald who are playing at a high level being included again. While I'd usually agree, and I'm never one usually for this argument, he never seems arsed at all about representing us. It's probably just as much down to Newcastle as him personally, but I don't think he offers us enough to warrant us chasing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucksburnDandy Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 My only slight disagreement was Kevin McDonald, thought he was awful in the Costa Rica game, I'd have like to have seen Ryan Jack in the squad. Suspect if McArthur was available, he'd have been ahead of McDonald. Bar that, very happy with the squad. Agree with @forameus about Matt Ritchie, always been half arsed about when he wants to play for us and has probably used up all his excuses now. Glad Scott McTominay hasn't had his head turned by English advances, unlike what Declan Rice has had after playing for Ireland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 One can only assume that Liam Cooper and Liam Lindsay will never play for Scotland if they can't get a look in for the friendly game, especially when we only seem to have 3 recognised centre halves in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: One can only assume that Liam Cooper and Liam Lindsay will never play for Scotland if they can't get a look in for the friendly game, especially when we only seem to have 3 recognised centre halves in the squad. They seem to be playing at a higher level than Souttar. I had no idea about the Leeds player being eligible. Surely he’s better than Mulgrew? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordopolis Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 13 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: One can only assume that Liam Cooper and Liam Lindsay will never play for Scotland if they can't get a look in for the friendly game, especially when we only seem to have 3 recognised centre halves in the squad. I am mildly surprised that Hanley didn't make this one. Seems to be playing well for Norwich at the moment, has plenty of international experience and is still a decent age. That squad suggests we'll be playing Hendry and or Souttar in both games. Probably better to try these guys to be honest, but Hanley would have been decent backup P.S. glad Naismith isn't there. that would be scraping the bottom of the barrel. I'd rather fail by trying new young forwards than persisting with a 30-something who's never really cut the mustard for us and is on the decline. P.P.S I take it this means Darren Fletcher and James Morrison are pretty much done for Scotland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONeils4Oyarder Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 We seem to very light at Centre-back in this squad, unless he's planning to play 'wonderboy' Tierney there... ...as for the Ryan Jack shouts, maybe McLeish watched him having a howler yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Problemo Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Assuming we aren’t playing a 3-5-2 given there are only three centre half’s plus Tierney. If we are counting Tierney then there is only one left back as Barry Russel isn’t included. Tierney at RB for me then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said: They seem to be playing at a higher level than Souttar. I had no idea about the Leeds player being eligible. Surely he’s better than Mulgrew? He's been in the squad before. Scotland managers seem to have a blind spot over him though. It's quite bizarre as he's played over 100 times for Leeds and is their captain. He's vastly more experienced than McKenna and Hendry yet has not made a single appearance for Scotland, even a few minutes in a friendly. He could very well be shit, but he could be decent. Without giving him a shot we'll never know. This sort of shit is maddening. It's like Scotland managers are deliberately handicapping themselves. McKenna and Hendry were fast tracked in to the squad, which is fine, yet McKenna only played a single season in the Premiership whilst Liam Cooper is on his 9th season in the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Judge Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, No_Problemo said: If we are counting Tierney then there is only one left back as Barry Russel isn’t included. Our Barry isn't even a guaranteed starter at East Kilbride right now...so no way should he be in the Scotland squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 50 minutes ago, Jacky1990 said: Regardless of form over the first month of the season, Ryan Jack is a no more than a bang average footballer. Every centre mid in the squad is a better player than him and therefore he rightfully shouldn't be in the squad. Bang average is right. That's a bang average squad, with a less than bang average manager. Jack's no worse than most of those central midfielders. But it's like arguing about who the third choice keeper should be. It doesn't make an iota of difference, and just makes these threads longer than they need to be. McLeish is not here for the long-haul, I would hope. But at the same time, it's far better to win friendlies than lose them. Is Ryan Jack the difference between losing and winning? Absolutely not. Central defence and Matt Ritchie are a different matter, perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabinho Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 He's been in the squad before. Scotland managers seem to have a blind spot over him though. It's quite bizarre as he's played over 100 times for Leeds and is their captain. He's vastly more experienced than McKenna and Hendry yet has not made a single appearance for Scotland, even a few minutes in a friendly. He could very well be shit, but he could be decent. Without giving him a shot we'll never know. This sort of shit is maddening. It's like Scotland managers are deliberately handicapping themselves. McKenna and Hendry were fast tracked in to the squad, which is fine, yet McKenna only played a single season in the Premiership whilst Liam Cooper is on his 9th season in the Championship.I’ve watched a fair bit of Cooper, I’d say Hanley on current form is a better player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodhull Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 16 minutes ago, No_Problemo said: Assuming we aren’t playing a 3-5-2 given there are only three centre half’s plus Tierney. If we are counting Tierney then there is only one left back as Barry Russel isn’t included. Tierney at RB for me then. Robertson and Shinnie would probably be the two left backs if Tierney is intended for centre back. I don't see Shinnie being considered for midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 59 minutes ago, craigkillie said: Jack is probably a better option than McDonald, but aside from that I don't see many major concerns. A few different fringe players could have been in, but that's about it. No he's not. Jack would get absolutely raped at the level McDonald plays at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 58 minutes ago, Jacky1990 said: Regardless of form over the first month of the season, Ryan Jack is a no more than a bang average footballer. Every centre mid in the squad is a better player than him and therefore he rightfully shouldn't be in the squad. This. He's basically mince and we have about Forty better midfielders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 11 minutes ago, Peppino Impastato said: No he's not. Jack would get absolutely raped at the level McDonald plays at. What? Scottish League 2, and more specifically at Broadwood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 12 minutes ago, Peppino Impastato said: Forty better midfielders. Name them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DAVIDB69 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 i think ryan jack deserves to be in there instead of mctominayMctominay is there based on who he plays for nothing else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 It'll be interesting to see if Hendry's confidence is fucked with Scotland too, or if he'll see it as a form of reprieve. I don't envy McLeish having to choose between a potentially nervous wreck and a debutant to play RCB against Belgium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DAVIDB69 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 What seems interesting is that MacLeish has moved on pretty quickly from the dads army feel of the squads under strachan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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