DMCs Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, ahemps said: Is the 3rd team guaranteed??? According to the Wikipedia page the 3rd and 4th Scottish teams go into the 2nd qualifier meaning 3 qualifying rounds to get to the groups. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021–22_UEFA_Europa_Conference_League#Teams The Scottish Cup winners go into the EL unless the SC winner is already 1st, 2nd or 3rd in the league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, DMCs said: Yes. I'd like there to be more but 4th and 5th getting through 3 qualifiers with 2 unseeded isn't an easy task. It's easier than the EL qualifiers now but not loads easier. If Scotland can keep the 3rd spot that basically guarantees group stage football for a non-OF side, that will help the 4th-5th team over time. Group Stage football will allow for them to increase their own club co-efficient and as 3rd/SC winner is more of a revolving door, over time they'd would slot in as the 4th-5th qualifier with a higher seeding than they currently do. Aberdeen being the obvious example. Currently 4th, if they had a group stage appearance to their ranking they would be more likely to be seeded in the Conference 3rd Qualifying Round. Edited February 5, 2021 by FairWeatherFan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanFan Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 On 05/02/2021 at 11:07, FairWeatherFan said: If Scotland can keep the 3rd spot that basically guarantees group stage football for a non-OF side, that will help the 4th-5th team over time. Group Stage football will allow for them to increase their own club co-efficient and as 3rd/SC winner is more of a revolving door, over time they'd would slot in as the 4th-5th qualifier with a higher seeding than they currently do. Aberdeen being the obvious example. Currently 4th, if they had a group stage appearance to their ranking they would be more likely to be seeded in the Conference 3rd Qualifying Round. Any idea what the financial implications are of group stage for the Conference League? Wondering how helpful that will be for whomever it is next year? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 Just now, AmericanFan said: Any idea what the financial implications are of group stage for the Conference League? Wondering how helpful that will be for whomever it is next year? Millions most likely, but don't believe the exact figures are known as UEFA hasn't come out with them yet. Bit of a talking point today as you've had Motherwell's Chief Exec asking for the Scottish Cup to be completed this season so that the winner can enter. There's the same issue over how coefficients might be adjusted for 3 competitions. Some speculating that the Europa League might end up with more Bonus Points for instance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanFan Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 32 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: Millions most likely, but don't believe the exact figures are known as UEFA hasn't come out with them yet. Bit of a talking point today as you've had Motherwell's Chief Exec asking for the Scottish Cup to be completed this season so that the winner can enter. There's the same issue over how coefficients might be adjusted for 3 competitions. Some speculating that the Europa League might end up with more Bonus Points for instance. Appreciate it. Any chance you can link an article on what the Well CE was saying? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 8 minutes ago, AmericanFan said: Appreciate it. Any chance you can link an article on what the Well CE was saying? https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/motherwell-chief-scottish-cup-plea-23496714 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanFan Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/motherwell-chief-scottish-cup-plea-23496714 Interesting stuff. That would be life-changing £ for anyone outside of the OF and maybe Hibs (who seem to be able to turn down £4 million with no problem). If the Scottish Cup doesn't get completed, would they just send 3rd to Europa League and 4th and 5th to Conference? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charger29 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 Millions most likely, but don't believe the exact figures are known as UEFA hasn't come out with them yet. Bit of a talking point today as you've had Motherwell's Chief Exec asking for the Scottish Cup to be completed this season so that the winner can enter. There's the same issue over how coefficients might be adjusted for 3 competitions. Some speculating that the Europa League might end up with more Bonus Points for instance. Think the coefficient points are already out on the kassiesa forums (though not officially confirmed). Long story short, there's bonus points flying all over the place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 16 minutes ago, charger29 said: Think the coefficient points are already out on the kassiesa forums (though not officially confirmed). Long story short, there's bonus points flying all over the place. Guessing this is it: https://kassiesa.net/uefa/forum2/viewtopic.php?p=455087#p455087 Match results (2 points for a win and 1 point for a draw) will be awarded from the group stage of CL, EL, and ECL onwards, with the exception of the knockout rounds for EL-R16 and ECL-R16. For the country coefficient matches in qualifying rounds are awarded with 1 points for a win, and 0.5 point for a draw. Qualifying club points for elimation in: ECL-Q1 = 1.0 point ECL-Q2 = 1.5 points ECL-Q3 = 2.0 points ECL-Q4 = 2.5 points Minimum club points for playing in: ECL-GS = min 2.5 points EL-GS = min 3.0 points Bonus points (also count for country ranking): CL-GS = 4 points EL-GW = 4 points EL-RU = 2 points ECL-GW = 2 points ECL-RU = 1 point EL-KO en ECL-KO no bonus points, no match points CL-R16 = 5 points EL-R16 = 1 point CL-QF = 1 point EL-QF = 1 point CL-SF = 1 point EL-SF = 1 point ECL-SF = 1 point CL-F = 1 point EL-F = 1 point ECL-F = 1 point Maximum number of points per club (may be deducted from the info above): CL = 38 points EL = 34 points ECL = 30 points 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charger29 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 Yeah, that was it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibsFan Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 On 03/02/2021 at 22:31, charger29 said: Not sure if you're at the wind up but there's no chance of that happening. The conference league is not that massive of a step below the Europa League. If you use the current positions of clubs in their leagues across Europe for next years seedings, the last 16 of the conference league could (very roughly) involve PSV, Rangers, Qarabag, Steaua Bucharest, Rennes, Malmo, Spartak Moscow, Real Sociedad, Tottenham, Atalanta, Basel, Plzen, B.Monchengladbach, Anderlecht, Astana, S.Leige. It'd be a miracle if any team outside Rangers & Celtic even made it out their conference group, nevermind compete with those teams above. You're spot on. Unfortunately this competition would actually be more entertaining if it was just the minnows, but they've basically decided (for god knows what reason) to move the current Europa League into a new Conference League, with absolutely none of the prestige and history that the UEFA Cup has. They've then kept the Europa League as a bare bones version of its current self where only the best of the regulars get in. A mental decision that will hopefully be reversed when it's exposed for the shambles it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanFan Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 (edited) On 14/02/2021 at 16:19, HibsFan said: You're spot on. Unfortunately this competition would actually be more entertaining if it was just the minnows, but they've basically decided (for god knows what reason) to move the current Europa League into a new Conference League, with absolutely none of the prestige and history that the UEFA Cup has. They've then kept the Europa League as a bare bones version of its current self where only the best of the regulars get in. A mental decision that will hopefully be reversed when it's exposed for the shambles it is. Agreed. Wish they would have designed it more for that. Currently, Liverpool would be in ECL. Who wants to see them beat the piss out of teams that would have a hard time finishing in the top 15 of the Championship? The top four countries should be kept out of the ECL. Edited March 12, 2021 by AmericanFan more 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thistle Scotland Europe Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 Scottish football should prioritise winning the European Conference League. It would be great if a Scottish side won it. We have not had a Scottish team win a UEFA trophy since 1983. Lets hope St Johnstone, Hibernian, or Aberdeen can win the Europa Conference League. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Patterson Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 15 minutes ago, Thistle Scotland Europe said: Scottish football should prioritise winning the European Conference League. It would be great if a Scottish side won it. We have not had a Scottish team win a UEFA trophy since 1983. Lets hope St Johnstone, Hibernian, or Aberdeen can win the Europa Conference League. It's more like a competition that Celtic or Rangers could win if they dropped out of the Europa League 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve McQueen Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 12 minutes ago, Thistle Scotland Europe said: Scottish football should prioritise winning the European Conference League. It would be great if a Scottish side won it. We have not had a Scottish team win a UEFA trophy since 1983. Lets hope St Johnstone, Hibernian, or Aberdeen can win the Europa Conference League. Having looked at the teams conference seems as possible as current Europa 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloPerth Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 Here’s a list of the teams waiting in the 3rd qualifying round!of the conference league: Basel ** Sui 49.000 . FC København (**) Den 43.500 . AA Gent ** Bel 26.500 . Anderlecht Bel 25.000 . FK Astana ** Kaz 22.500 . LASK Aut 21.000 . Feyenoord ** Ned 21.000 . Qarabag FK ** Azb 21.000 Rubin Kazan Rus 7.676 FCSB ** Rom 21.000 FC Sochi ** Rus 7.676 PAOK Thessaloniki ** Gre 20.000 Aberdeen ** Sco 7.500 AEK Athens ** Gre 19.500 The New Saints * Wal 7.500 Partizan Belgrade ** Srb 18.000 Spartak Trnava * Svk 7.500 BATE Borisov ** Bls 17.500 Olimpija Ljubljana * Slo 6.750 Molde FK ** Nor 17.000 Hibernian ** Sco 6.675 Rosenborg BK ** Nor 14.000 Kolos Kovalivka Ukr 6.620 NK Maribor * Slo 14.000 Vorskla Poltava ** Ukr 6.620 NK Rijeka ** Cro 13.500 FK Sarajevo * Bos 6.250 Apollon Limassol ** Cyp 13.500 Trabzonspor Tur 6.020 FC Fehérvár * *** 11.500 Sivasspor ** Tur 6.020 Dundalk * Irl 10.500 NK Osijek ** Cro 6.000 N5 ** Aut 10.000 - 11.000 Universitatea Craiova ** Rom 6.000 CD Santa Clara ** Por 9.709 AGF Aarhus ** Den 5.575 Suduva Marijamp and the teams waiting in the play off: Roma Ita 90.000 . Tottenham Hotspur Eng 88.000 . FC Basel ** Sui 49.000 . FC København **/*3 Den 43.500 . AA Gent ** Bel 26.500 . Anderlecht *3 Bel 25.000 . FK Astana ** Kaz 22.500 Union Berlin Ger 14.714 LASK *3 Aut 21.000 Rosenborg BK ** Nor 14.000 Feyenoord ** Ned 21.000 NK Maribor * Slo 14.000 Qarabag FK ** Azb 21.000 NK Rijeka ** Cro 13.500 FCSB ** Rom 21.000 Apollon Limassol ** Cyp 13.500 PAOK Thessaloniki ** Gre 20.000 FC Fehérvár * *** 11.500 AEK Athens ** that’s before you add in the teams dropping out of the Europa League. Quite a mixed bag, but enough big clubs in there. Depends how seriously they want to take USDA’s third rank tournament I suppose. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 I read that all games are on Thursdays and kickoffs will be 3:30pm, 5:45pm and 8pm. Does that mean some games in UK could be played at those earlier times - to avoid clashing with EL same night - even though it would be inconvenient for home fans? Does it just mean that EL and Conference League games will clash, and games in ex-Soviet countries will use early time and games in UK will use late time, like happened in EL until now? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said: I read that all games are on Thursdays and kickoffs will be 3:30pm, 5:45pm and 8pm. Does that mean some games in UK could be played at those earlier times - to avoid clashing with EL same night - even though it would be inconvenient for home fans? Does it just mean that EL and Conference League games will clash, and games in ex-Soviet countries will use early time and games in UK will use late time, like happened in EL until now? The 3.30pm kick-off time will be for Eastern Europe only. 5.45pm (6.45pm CE(S)T) is the new kick-off time for the early Europa League games as well, primarily to ensure all games are finished before the late games kick off. I'm sure that as now, they'll try to avoid having UK and Portuguese teams at home at that time, but sometimes it might be unavoidable within the constraints of their scheduling model. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 Just now, The Master said: The 3.30pm kick-off time will be for Eastern Europe only. 5.45pm (6.45pm CE(S)T) is the new kick-off time for the early Europa League games as well, primarily to ensure all games are finished before the late games kick off. I'm sure that as now, they'll try to avoid having UK and Portuguese teams at home at that time, but sometimes it might be unavoidable within the constraints of their scheduling model. Thanks, so no afternoon games here and unlikely to be any teatime games. Does that mean Conference League games are less likely to be on TV once centralised deal kicks-in from QR4? They'll have 16 games in EL to choose from on top of any Conference League options. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said: Thanks, so no afternoon games here and unlikely to be any teatime games. Does that mean Conference League games are less likely to be on TV once centralised deal kicks-in from QR4? They'll have 16 games in EL to choose from on top of any Conference League options. I would imagine that UK teams will all be shown, but yes ECL games will probably be right down the pecking order. It actually wouldn't surprise me if BT put ECL games without UK interest free on YouTube. Edited May 29, 2021 by The Master 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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