AlanCamelonfan Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 1 hour ago, newcastle broon said: I notice ww are now in the Scottish Cup prelims obviously due to relegation,are the HFL clubs safeguarded regarding the Scottish Cup then given they have no relegation ? If so this is major anomaly for the pyramid system surely It doesn't matter where you were its where you are now. Thats why you start in the preliminary round. As Highland League has no tier 6 clubs they won't be in the preliminary round. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcastle broon Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: The Highland League and Lowland League are both at the same tier. It can hardly be a surprise that they enter at the same stage? The only difference I would see is that the top 16 in each enter at the First Round. Since the Highland has usually had extra teams while the Lowland is fixed at 16. That'd be under the current format of course. Who knows how the SFA might reformat the early rounds of the competition with more clubs getting licensed. 10 minutes ago, AlanCamelonfan said: It doesn't matter where you were its where you are now. Thats why you start in the preliminary round. As Highland League has no tier 6 clubs they won't be in the preliminary round. Aye I know that,it's no all about my club here,surely that makes any LL relegated side at a disadvantage wi bottom HFL safeguarded to round 1 ? The prelims are only gonnae get bigger in the South as well. Am I missing something here ? Edited June 29, 2019 by newcastle broon 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 20 minutes ago, newcastle broon said: Aye I know that,it's no all about my club here,surely that makes any LL relegated side at a disadvantage wi bottom HFL safeguarded to round 1 ? The prelims are only gonnae get bigger in the South as well. Am I missing something here ? YEs rome wasn't built in a day. IF they can't get someone to take their 18th slot what chance have they got at having leagues below to go to. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcastle broon Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, AlanCamelonfan said: YEs rome wasn't built in a day. IF they can't get someone to take their 18th slot what chance have they got at having leagues below to go to. Big advantage in pennies and chance of getting through another round if you are from the Northern half of the pyramid though Alan ? That surely needs looked at from a LL point of view ? Edited June 29, 2019 by newcastle broon 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 36 minutes ago, newcastle broon said: Big advantage in pennies and chance of getting through another round if you are from the Northern half of the pyramid though Alan ? That surely needs looked at from a LL point of view ? 2016-17 Prize Money PR1: £2000 PR2: £2000 R1: £2000 R2: £4000 R3: £6000 R4: £9000 R5: £12000 R6: £15000 SF: £18000 Runner up: £30000 Winner: £60000 2017-18 Prize Money PR1: £3000 PR2: £3000 R1: £4000 R2: £5000 R3: £6000 R4: £9000 R5: £12000 R6: £15000 SF: £18000 Runner Up: £30000 Winner: £60000 2016-17 Fort William First Round First Round Rothes First Round First Round 2017-18 Fort William First Round First Round Strathspey Thistle First Round First Round 2018-19 Strathspey Thistle First Round First Round Fort William First Round First Round Not really a big advantage in terms of pennies and the 17th and 18th teams in the Highland League have yet to take advantage of starting in the First Round since Highland & Lowland Leagues were guaranteed First Round entry. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcastle broon Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 27 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: 2016-17 Prize Money PR1: £2000 PR2: £2000 R1: £2000 R2: £4000 R3: £6000 R4: £9000 R5: £12000 R6: £15000 SF: £18000 Runner up: £30000 Winner: £60000 2017-18 Prize Money PR1: £3000 PR2: £3000 R1: £4000 R2: £5000 R3: £6000 R4: £9000 R5: £12000 R6: £15000 SF: £18000 Runner Up: £30000 Winner: £60000 2016-17 Fort William First Round First Round Rothes First Round First Round 2017-18 Fort William First Round First Round Strathspey Thistle First Round First Round 2018-19 Strathspey Thistle First Round First Round Fort William First Round First Round Not really a big advantage in terms of pennies and the 17th and 18th teams in the Highland League have yet to take advantage of starting in the First Round since Highland & Lowland Leagues were guaranteed First Round entry. Is that a 7k difference (does it accumulate each round) from being knocked out in the 1st prelim 3k to round 1 4k on the 17/18 figures though and the chance of an extra 5k for getting into round 2 (one game) ? If correct I'd say that's quite a bit of an advantage at that level ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, newcastle broon said: Is that a 7k difference (does it accumulate each round) from being knocked out in the 1st prelim 3k to round 1 4k on the 17/18 figures though and the chance of an extra 5k for getting into round 2 (one game) ? If correct I'd say that's quite a bit of an advantage at that level ? Based on the 2017-18 figures A team loses at the round they enter. 17th or 18th in HFL R1 = £4000. Tier 6 or below PR1 or PR2 = £3000 difference of £1000 Win round you enter and lose in the next 17th or 18th in HFL R1 & R2 = £9000. Tier 6 or below PR1 & PR2 = £6000 or PR2 & R1 = £7000 Difference of either £2000/£3000. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcastle broon Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 1 minute ago, FairWeatherFan said: Based on the 2017-18 figures A team loses at the round they enter. 17th or 18th in HFL R1 = £4000. Tier 6 or below PR1 or PR2 = £3000 difference of £1000 Win round you enter and lose in the next 17th or 18th in HFL R1 & R2 = £9000. Tier 6 or below PR1 & PR2 = £6000 or PR2 & R1 = £7000 Difference of either £2000/£3000. That might still be a few quid to some clubs though ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 1 hour ago, newcastle broon said: Big advantage in pennies and chance of getting through another round if you are from the Northern half of the pyramid though Alan ? That surely needs looked at from a LL point of view ? It is being looked at but you can't force people to go. Are you going to suggest moving Fife and perth to highland league 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 1 minute ago, newcastle broon said: That might still be a few quid to some clubs though ? For 3 years it was the difference of 2 clubs in the North of the pyramid that were advantaged in a further round. For the first season of that the prize money was the same for entering the First Round and the preliminary rounds. This year it's the difference of 1 club since the HFL is at 17 while the Lowland is at 16. Nobody knows yet what the formatting changes might see going forward. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcastle broon Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 25 minutes ago, AlanCamelonfan said: It is being looked at but you can't force people to go. Are you going to suggest moving Fife and perth to highland league Wasnt forcing anything was just stating a wee fact aboot the great north south divide in the Scottish Cup that I thought was worth mentioning ? 26 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: For 3 years it was the difference of 2 clubs in the North of the pyramid that were advantaged in a further round. For the first season of that the prize money was the same for entering the First Round and the preliminary rounds. This year it's the difference of 1 club since the HFL is at 17 while the Lowland is at 16. Nobody knows yet what the formatting changes might see going forward. Ok fair enough al get doon off my soap box now 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 And you still need to get a set of lights up for this to even be a relevant issue for you after June of next year, so maybe that should be the main focus for WW people at the moment? Very much hope you do manage it, BTW. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcastle broon Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 1 minute ago, LongTimeLurker said: And you still need to get a set of lights up for this to even be a relevant issue for you after June of next year, so maybe that should be the main focus for WW people at the moment? Very much hope you do manage it, BTW. 1) I did mention floodlights on the ww thread 2) I'm sure it is high up as the main focus for the people and committee of ww and 3) I also mentioned it wasnt a ww issue but a LL one in general as the relegated club as it stands would need 2 rounds to get to round 1 which is kinda different from the HFL, this giving oot unfair amounts of money in favour of the HFL but FWF covered it! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclizine Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 There are licenced clubs in the North that don't play in the Highland League. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 On 29/06/2019 at 15:48, Cyclizine said: There are licenced clubs in the North that don't play in the Highland League. Yes, Banks O'Dee (North Juniors) and Golspie Sutherland (North Caley League) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNU_Linux Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 From the Talbot AGM. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason King Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 About time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 26 minutes ago, GNU_Linux said: It's not really a new stance for them. It's basically what they've been saying since the moves to the EoS back in early 2018. We want to remain Junior but everything's moving around us so we'll make the best of it March 2018 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43574188 Quote "The likelihood is that junior football will move into the pyramid system, and we will move to achieve that entry level and possibly higher. "Because if we're in there we want to do as well as we possibly can. Although we've no ambitions to do it, if we're going to be going in there we'll be doing as best as we can, and that means our facilities as well. July 2019 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted August 24, 2019 Author Share Posted August 24, 2019 Bump, as Pyramid chat is creeping into other threads. May this one needs renamed 2020-2021. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNU_Linux Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Interesting piece in yesterday's Largs Thistle programme re: the pyramid that echoes alot of my own sentiment. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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