D'Jaffo Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 11 minutes ago, the_bully_wee said: There is, clearly, a huge difference in risk between jobs which require close contact with individuals and ones which are observed by dozens of peers, and at times hundreds of spectators. I assume you're being deliberately obtuse here. The key in what you're saying is a guy who *did* that. It should, of course, never be forgotten, but nobody among us knows just how different a person Goodwillie is now versus the one who *probably* committee a rape that night. I'd wager pretty different, given the extensive damage it has done to him and the fact he now has a daughter of his own. Folk are also jumping to conclusions about the "hero" tag. I wouldn't use it for him personally given the ambiguity which can arise from its use in isolation, but in purely footballing terms he is an absolute hero to Clyde FC. Just because someone regards a figure as a hero whenever they exist within a 110x60m rectangle does not necessarily mean they grant the same status, or any similar one, to them outside of it. David Goodwillie was playing for Dundee United, doing well and was as you say "observed by dozens of peers, and at times hundreds of spectators". And yet, strangely enough he still managed to rape someone. You can accuse me of being deliberately obtuse but I'd say it's far more likely you are being downright thick. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Jaffo Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 6 minutes ago, oneteaminglasgow said: Aye, he’s the real victim in all of this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haufdaft Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 1 in 16 (6.5%) men are rapists. (2002 Lisak study), although other studies show as high as nearly 15%, or 1 in 7 men.So statistically most football squads have a rapist playing for them.Statistically, you'll probably have a family member or a friend who has raped.There's many rapists that are not prosecuted but carry on without the publicity that Goodwillie has received.Will you be so concerned when your partner let's a random electrician or a plumber into the house? -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_bully_wee Posted January 6, 2022 Author Share Posted January 6, 2022 8 minutes ago, D'Jaffo said: David Goodwillie was playing for Dundee United, doing well and was as you say "observed by dozens of peers, and at times hundreds of spectators". And yet, strangely enough he still managed to rape someone. You can accuse me of being deliberately obtuse but I'd say it's far more likely you are being downright thick. My word. I'm talking about while at work, you complete and utter dullard. Who out of a visiting electrician, for example, and a professional footballer is the greater threat to an individual? If you can't think of the answer then please don't hesitate to ask for a clue. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 38 minutes ago, DobbiesAgent said: I probably wouldn’t have my kids getting a jersey with his name on the back….however does the guy deserve to be chased out of every club he’s linked with by a mob of supporters? When he was found not humility by a civilian jury or random choosing? his life was dragged through a court and found not guilty of the alleged crime? What other lengths can he go to to be allowed to get on with his career Do you want to try that one again? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Jaffo Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, haufdaft said: 1 in 16 (6.5%) men are rapists. (2002 Lisak study), although other studies show as high as nearly 15%, or 1 in 7 men. So statistically most football squads have a rapist playing for them. Statistically, you'll probably have a family member or a friend who has raped. There's many rapists that are not prosecuted but carry on without the publicity that Goodwillie has received. Will you be so concerned when your partner let's a random electrician or a plumber into the house? If I was aware that said plumber or electrician was a rapist then I'd be fairly concerned, aye. 3 minutes ago, the_bully_wee said: My word. I'm talking about while at work, you complete and utter dullard. Who out of a visiting electrician, for example, and a professional footballer is the greater threat to an individual? If you can't think of the answer then please don't hesitate to ask for a clue. So the public are safe for a few hours during the week (or however long Clyde train for) and for a couple of hours on a Saturday. Big deal. It's a ridiculously flawed argument in the first place. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_bully_wee Posted January 6, 2022 Author Share Posted January 6, 2022 Just now, D'Jaffo said: So the public are safe for a few hours during the week (or however long Clyde train for) and for a couple of hours on a Saturday. Big deal. It's a ridiculously flawed argument in the first place. It's not really though, is it, and surely even someone as dense as yourself must be able to cede that? You've also conveniently ignored every single adjoining point to that particular argument, such is your inability to keep up. While I'm sure "hang the b*****d" or "they should be entitled to no happiness whatsoever" for anyone *likely* to have committed whatever crimes you deem to have "crossed the line" probably sounds like a great idea in your own head, society has thankfully moved beyond that in recent centuries. Maybe you'll get there soon! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lichtie78 Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 Raith have signed a striker and Falkirk recalled Dowds. Good news for Clyde.Dowds won’t be there for long [emoji102] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haufdaft Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 18 minutes ago, D'Jaffo said: If I was aware that said plumber or electrician was a rapist then I'd be fairly concerned, aye. So should all unconvicted, suspected rapists who are plumbers, electricians, joiners, carpet cleaners, kitchen fitters, plasterers etc be prohibited from carrying out their trade? Should they all be made to sign on and claim benefits for life at tax payers expense? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Jaffo Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 So should all unconvicted, suspected rapists who are plumbers, electricians, joiners, carpet cleaners, kitchen fitters, plasterers etc be prohibited from carrying out their trade? Should they all be made to sign on and claim benefits for life at tax payers expense? People can still use them if they like. I know I wouldn’t. Given that Clyde fans don’t seem to mind that sort of thing I’m sure they’d find work somewhere. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 1 hour ago, AndyDD said: Stop talking shite. He was never found not guilty. If you want to defend him or his right to play for falkirk or clyde or whomever, that's up to you, but you're blatantly lying. It never went to criminal court. A Judge found against him in a civil court. https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=d22e28a7-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7 He appealed this judgement, and lost the appeal. Wind yer neck in ya utter melt. I’ll apologise, I only seen it mentioned on the Falkirk thread that he had been through the courts, I hadn’t taken the time to read into it…. obviously in any case then He shouldn’t still be playing football certainly in any of the pyramid tiers in Scottish football. as for your reply, it’s obviously compulsory to finish any sentence with an insult in airdrie so I’ll let you off seen as it’s clearly just in your nature 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Jaffo Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 It's not really though, is it, and surely even someone as dense as yourself must be able to cede that? You've also conveniently ignored every single adjoining point to that particular argument, such is your inability to keep up. While I'm sure "hang the b*****d" or "they should be entitled to no happiness whatsoever" for anyone *likely* to have committed whatever crimes you deem to have "crossed the line" probably sounds like a great idea in your own head, society has thankfully moved beyond that in recent centuries. Maybe you'll get there soon!Yes, because society needs people who rape to be allowed to go back into the highly privileged position they were previously in. At no point have I said he shouldn’t have a life anymore. It’s entirely wrong for him to be in the position he is currently in though. But as long as there’s clubs like Clyde to keep these guys going then nothing will really change. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haufdaft Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 People can still use them if they like. I know I wouldn’t. Given that Clyde fans don’t seem to mind that sort of thing I’m sure they’d find work somewhere. But would you spam their company's social media pages and bore their customers to death with your holier than thou opinions? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Jaffo Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 But would you spam their company's social media pages and bore their customers to death with your holier than thou opinions?No but I’d definitely call others out if they tried to defend the person involved. Apologies for boring you, I wasn’t aware that saying I don’t think a rapist should get to play football again was being holier than thou. Seems standards are a bit different at Clyde. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebobsboy Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 5 hours ago, BullyWeeStonehouse said: Falkirk have recalled Anton Dowds from his loan at Arbroath. Hoping that’s a sign they won’t be buying Goodwillie. We haven't recalled him his loan was up. I don't think he'll be with us come the end of the window. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 13 minutes ago, DobbiesAgent said: I’ll apologise, I only seen it mentioned on the Falkirk thread that he had been through the courts, I hadn’t taken the time to read into it…. obviously in any case then He shouldn’t still be playing football certainly in any of the pyramid tiers in Scottish football. as for your reply, it’s obviously compulsory to finish any sentence with an insult in airdrie so I’ll let you off seen as it’s clearly just in your nature You're an idiot. I started with an insult. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: You're an idiot. I started with an insult. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde01 Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 Yes, because society needs people who rape to be allowed to go back into the highly privileged position they were previously in. At no point have I said he shouldn’t have a life anymore. It’s entirely wrong for him to be in the position he is currently in though. But as long as there’s clubs like Clyde to keep these guys going then nothing will really change. He’s went from earning thousands of pounds a week down south to slumming it in the lower reaches of Scottish football on a part time wage.It’s hardly as highly privileged as you think and that’s before the regular abuse he receives whilst doing his job. (Yes, I know he’s brought that on himself). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Carrigan Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 Can I just say, the weird rape apology guys don’t speak for all of us. Sorry. 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_bully_wee Posted January 6, 2022 Author Share Posted January 6, 2022 (edited) 34 minutes ago, D'Jaffo said: No but I’d definitely call others out if they tried to defend the person involved. Who's tried to defend Goodwillie here? The closest thing to a defence of him (by a Clyde fan) that's been launched is the statement of simple facts; that he was never criminally convicted and was only found guilty of the crime on the balance of probability. Haufdaft has also raised the pertinent point that there are a hell of a lot of unknown rapists in football and wider society who will never be brought to any small kind of justice and are thereby greater re-offending risks. That could include a best mate of you or I, or a revered player at either of our clubs. Unfortunately, rape remains a massive problem in society and even more unfortunately it is nigh on impossible to prove beyond reasonable doubt in most instances. You (and others) have come on to this thread and made a lot of repetitive and tiresome noise, but fundamentally all this debate boils down to is a difference of opinions regarding how offenders should be able to continue with their lives. You think they should be made invisible, others can see the safeguarding merit in them having an ongoing public profile and working in an environment where the risk of on-the-job re-offence is as close as possible to zero. There is absolutely nobody here mounting any kind of a defence of the individual involved or trying to downplay the severity of the crime he likely committed; I'm sure we all agree in the strongest terms that rape is an utterly deplorable and sickening crime, despite our divergent opinions about the nature of life thereafter for perpetrators. Plenty of folk seem to come on to this thread when Goodwillie's name is in the papers under the assumption that Clyde fans are rape apologists, which just plainly isn't true. Edited January 6, 2022 by the_bully_wee 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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