Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[ICTChris]

I think a lot of people just react to stories like this with comfort blanket responses - “look at all these panicky idiots... the worst thing is prejudice... actually it’s not as bad as flu”.

I also think that people who hand wave about it only being old people and those with underlying health conditions who are at risk should be put on a register and a close eye be kept in them.

[welshbairn]

6 minutes ago, Diamonds are Forever said:

Comparisons with the flu are pointless.

Not two flus are the same either, some versions are far more dangerous than others. I don't think that people who compare flu to a sore throat and a bit of the sniffles have ever had it. 

[101]

9 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

I also think that people who hand wave about it only being old people and those with underlying health conditions who are at risk should be put on a register and a close eye be kept in them.

This^ How anyone could be so brain dead as to think "well it won't kill me" aye don't bother washing your hands pal cause it will only kill the most vulnerable in society you just continue being a filthy self centred w****r.

 

Spoiler

Wanking can protect your immune system, Div is thankful his base of VLs will survive

 

[Hampden Diehard]

We had a guy from a bank run a wee seminar at work. He said that he wasn't allowed to be in a room with more than 25 people. He did shake hands with me though. Twice. Which was nice.

[AL-FFC]

The weakest in society are the most vulnerable but then again it doesn't mean to say just because your relatively healthy your going to be ok. There is a lot of different angles from it at no point in any of our lives are we really safe from anything.  As with covid as the name suggest this is the 19th strain of it which seems to be the most contageous and deadly (probably because if you look on dettol it says it kills covid just how effective it is against the 19th strain is anyones guess.

Though i do think there is a bit of a mass panic over it can someone explain what bog roll is going to do to prevent it i can understand the dettol wipes but not the bog roll (i appreciate the sneezing part but there are also tissues or handkerchiefs)

[bennett]

1 hour ago, charon said:

 

 

Good God Above

 

 

Only the staunch will survive...

[Worktheshaft]

The weakest in society are the most vulnerable but then again it doesn't mean to say just because your relatively healthy your going to be ok. There is a lot of different angles from it at no point in any of our lives are we really safe from anything.  As with covid as the name suggest this is the 19th strain of it which seems to be the most contageous and deadly (probably because if you look on dettol it says it kills covid just how effective it is against the 19th strain is anyones guess.

Though i do think there is a bit of a mass panic over it can someone explain what bog roll is going to do to prevent it i can understand the dettol wipes but not the bog roll (i appreciate the sneezing part but there are also tissues or handkerchiefs)

The 19 is for the year it was identified not the strain.

[The OP]

22 minutes ago, AL-FFC said:

The weakest in society are the most vulnerable but then again it doesn't mean to say just because your relatively healthy your going to be ok. There is a lot of different angles from it at no point in any of our lives are we really safe from anything.  As with covid as the name suggest this is the 19th strain of it which seems to be the most contageous and deadly (probably because if you look on dettol it says it kills covid just how effective it is against the 19th strain is anyones guess.

Though i do think there is a bit of a mass panic over it can someone explain what bog roll is going to do to prevent it i can understand the dettol wipes but not the bog roll (i appreciate the sneezing part but there are also tissues or handkerchiefs)

Some people buy lots and lots of bog roll because they are worried that they will have to self-isolate and will run out. Other people then panic buy bog roll because the first lot are taking most of it and they are also worried they will run out. 

[LongTimeLurker]

15 minutes ago, bennett said:

Only the staunch will survive...

Doesn't explain how you are supposed to use your elbow on a normal tap.

33 minutes ago, AL-FFC said:

The weakest in society are the most vulnerable but then again it doesn't mean to say just because your relatively healthy your going to be ok...

If you check the official stats on this, if you are under 50 it looks like you almost certainly will be though and even if you are under 70 and relatively healthy your odds are looking very good.

The 1918 Spanish flu pandemic was particularly bad because it sent the immune system of a lot of healthy younger people into overdrive in a way that killed them. No sign so far anything like that is happening with the Wuhan virus.

Think the big fear is not so much what is happening right now but more what could happen if it mutates into a more lethal strain before a vaccine can be developed given the human population has had no time to build up any immunity to it yet.

For example, many of todays over 50s didn't have much to worry about on the last swine flu pandemic in 2009 because they had caught it the last time around in the late 70s when they were still young and healthy and that helped to limit the mortality rate. 

[AL-FFC]

4 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

Doesn't explain how you are supposed to use your elbow on a normal tap.

If you check the official stats on this, if you are under 50 it looks like you almost certainly will be though and even if you are under 70 and relatively healthy your odds are looking very good.

The 1918 Spanish flu pandemic was particularly bad because it sent the immune system of a lot of healthy younger people into overdrive in a way that killed them. No sign so far anything like that is happening with the Wuhan virus.

Think the big fear is not so much what is happening right now but more what could happen if it mutates into a more lethal strain before a vaccine can be developed given the human population has had no time to build up any immunity to it yet.

For example, many of todays over 50s didn't have much to worry about on the last swine flu pandemic in 2009 because they had caught it the last time around in the late 70s when they were still young and healthy and that helped to limit the mortality rate. 

Think that was what i was angling at tbh it takes just one person under the age of 50 but then what other health issues that person i dare say i am throwing in more variables into it, like you say the biggest concern is it mutating to a stronger virus

[DiegoDiego]

If you check the official stats on this, if you are under 50 it looks like you almost certainly will be though and even if you are under 70 and relatively healthy your odds are looking very good.

Alive and okay are two different things. The chances of a couple of weeks in hospital are still high enough for me to be pretty vigilant.

As for being relatively healthy, we need to remember that as a country Scotland is not very healthy. Male life expectancy in Glasgow is roughly a decade shorter than that of Italy where a big chunk of the stats are coming from. With all else equal you'd imagine our mortality rate would be higher than theirs.

[welshbairn]

2 minutes ago, DiegoDiego said:

 

Alive and okay are two different things. The chances of a couple of weeks in hospital are still high enough for me to be pretty vigilant.

As for being relatively healthy, we need to remember that as a country Scotland is not very healthy. Male life expectancy in Glasgow is roughly a decade shorter than that of Italy where a big chunk of the stats are coming from. With all else equal you'd imagine our mortality rate would be higher than theirs.

It sounds fucking horrible even if you don't need to go to hospital. The English teacher in Wohan I quoted earlier described it as trying to breathe with 2 crumpled paper bags filled with broken twigs. I'm on medication at the mo that hammers my immune system so I'm going to follow all the advice to the letter. Thankfully following Clach it will be easy to still go while avoiding close contact with other people.

[charon]

1 hour ago, Worktheshaft said:

1 hour ago, AL-FFC said:

The weakest in society are the most vulnerable but then again it doesn't mean to say just because your relatively healthy your going to be ok. There is a lot of different angles from it at no point in any of our lives are we really safe from anything.  As with covid as the name suggest this is the 19th strain of it which seems to be the most contageous and deadly (probably because if you look on dettol it says it kills covid just how effective it is against the 19th strain is anyones guess.

Though i do think there is a bit of a mass panic over it can someone explain what bog roll is going to do to prevent it i can understand the dettol wipes but not the bog roll (i appreciate the sneezing part but there are also tissues or handkerchiefs)

The 19 is for the year it was identified not the strain.

Lol.

 

The World Health Organization announced on 11 February 2020 that "COVID-19" will be the official name of the disease. World Health Organization chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said "co" stands for "corona", "vi" for "virus" and "d" for "disease", while "19" was for the year, as the outbreak was first identified on 31 December 2019. Tedros said the name had been chosen to avoid references to a specific geographical location (i.e. China), animal species, or group of people in line with international recommendations for naming aimed at preventing stigmatization

 

 

Chinese Bat Flu would have been more memorable.

[pandarilla]

So are they still saying 2% death rate?

The figures on bbc this morning suggest worldwide folk with it was 100,000 had it, 60,000 have recovered, and 3,500 have died.

That's a much higher death rate than 2% but presumably it's about those that have had it not were never officially diagnosed, and recovered without any hassle?

Also, will western treatments and healthcare systems do better at keeping people alive? Or is that factor negligible until they get a cure/vaccine?

[Tight minge]

If you get the virus and then get over it can you catch it again for a second time? If not then everyone who’s not got underlying health conditions should just go out there and get it then spend a few days in quarantine whilst the weaker members of our society stay well clear and we just wait for a fortnight for this entire thing to blow over.
 
ETA
 
 

Yes, already cases of people catching it twice. The first noted in Japan

[bendan]

1 minute ago, pandarilla said:

So are they still saying 2% death rate?

The figures on bbc this morning suggest worldwide folk with it was 100,000 had it, 60,000 have recovered, and 3,500 have died.

That's a much higher death rate than 2% but presumably it's about those that have had it not were never officially diagnosed, and recovered without any hassle?

Also, will western treatments and healthcare systems do better at keeping people alive? Or is that factor negligible until they get a cure/vaccine?

I don't think anybody has a clue what the actual death rate is. We're not going to know that until proper studies are done much later. The only thing we can say is that the evidence from China suggests that when the local health system is completely swamped, the death rate will be significantly higher than if it's not.

[Melanius Mullarkey]

Viruses. A great bunch of lads.

[LongTimeLurker]

1 hour ago, bendan said:

I don't think anybody has a clue what the actual death rate is...

South Korea and Germany are worth watching as they are probably doing the best job of identifying mild and asymptomatic cases. Their numbers suggest it's probably significantly lower than 2% on mortality and that the initial highly alarming picture we were getting from Wuhan doesn't have to be the shape of things to come. 

Having said that only a complete nutter would not take the obvious precautions at this point, but on the flip side people also need to avoid the sort of the end is nigh alarmism that the media tends to stoke and getting all Greta Thunberg about it.

Edited March 7, 2020 by LongTimeLurker

[Scary Bear]

3 hours ago, AL-FFC said:

The weakest in society are the most vulnerable but then again it doesn't mean to say just because your relatively healthy your going to be ok. There is a lot of different angles from it at no point in any of our lives are we really safe from anything.  As with covid as the name suggest this is the 19th strain of it which seems to be the most contageous and deadly (probably because if you look on dettol it says it kills covid just how effective it is against the 19th strain is anyones guess.

Though i do think there is a bit of a mass panic over it can someone explain what bog roll is going to do to prevent it i can understand the dettol wipes but not the bog roll (i appreciate the sneezing part but there are also tissues or handkerchiefs)

Presumably even when you’re riddled with coronavirus you might need to go to the toilet?

[bendan]

4 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

South Korea and Germany are worth watching as they are probably doing the best job of identifying mild and asymptomatic cases. Their numbers suggest it's probably significantly lower than 2% on mortality and that the initial highly alarming picture we were getting from Wuhan doesn't have to be the shape of things to come. 

Having said that only a complete nutter would not take the obvious precautions at this point, but on the flip side people also need to avoid the sort of the end is nigh alarmism that the media tends to stoke and getting all Greta Thunberg about it.

I think you're right about South Korea - not sure about Germany. But it's early days for both of them, anyway. We really need to see how cases resolve one way or the other.