HeartsOfficialMoaner Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, ayrmad said: Fake news You know what gets on my tits about Trump (apart from the obvious) is that nobody gets him telt. Everyone just lets him slaver shite. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefybake Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 2 hours ago, PauloPerth said: I didn't say we've been played, not really sure what you're on about there? I said we've been poor at tallying and reporting deaths in the uk and in Scotland. The uk had its first death on March 5th, Scotland on 13th March. This was months after we knew the virus was headed our way so could have set up appropriate reporting and monitoring mechanisms. And yet, somehow, it's as if our authorities completely forgot about the most vulnerable and at risk members of our society, to the point that we only started hearing about deaths in care homes in the past week or so. You completely missed the point; that if an advanced country like us have struggled to tally and report it accurately, then in poorer countries with less developed communication networks, the figures could well be miles away from what we're hearing. In, poorer countries, there is far less international travel, so perhaps this may help to keep the deaths down. Tbf to the useless toerags of a Westmister government, it wasn't quite months when they sat there with their fingers up their bottoms. However it was long enough so that when they did finally realise that a sh*tstorm had arrived, panic mode ensued, so I'm not surprised at variations in the accuracy of reporting mechanisms...., at first. What I do find almost unbelievable, incredulous really......., is that all these weeks into this...., the government almost seems to have just discovered that care homes exist. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 12 minutes ago, ayrmad said: If that were the case we'd only need 1 wave here and Sweden must be killing extra just to be sure. If we apply the upper limit of 85x here, it brings the fatality rate down to 0.15% For Sweden, a country which has largely avoided any restrictions, it would be 0.12% 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said: If we apply the upper limit of 85x here, it brings the fatality rate down to 0.15% For Sweden, a country which has largely avoided any restrictions, it would be 0.12% Yes, 1 wave, ain't happening. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herman Hessian Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 14 minutes ago, HeartsOfficialMoaner said: You know what gets on my tits about Trump (apart from the obvious) is that nobody gets him telt. Everyone just lets him slaver shite. you only have to look at those gun-toting p***ks in michigan to understand why - they're not even responsible for themselves, let alone being sufficiently aware to understand the concept of anyone else being accountable for anything, unless they're muslim of course... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, ayrmad said: Yes, 1 wave, ain't happening. Why not? Let's for a moment assume that the research proves accurate, and is replicated globally. For the UK that would mean 9,238,820 people have been infected, or roughly 1/6th of the population. Any future waves would have to come from less and less viable hosts, meaning they would be less and less severe 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Why not? Let's for a moment assume that the research proves accurate, and is replicated globally. For the UK that would mean 9,238,820 people have been infected, or roughly 1/6th of the population. Any future waves would have to come from less and less viable hosts, meaning they would be less and less severe I'm just going off the simple 1 in 1000 death rate, this wave will kill between 30/40k in UK, that's taking us up near the 60% threshold, all governments can't be that lucky that their lockdown measure coincided with the magical 60%, I just don't believe that sort of luck happens in such matters too often, Sweden will already have almost their entire population covered with those numbers, it would be more of a possibility if Sweden hadn't taken quite a few of the measures like the rest of us. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: Tbh I think the fuckup here was not shelling out 20mil on these (chump change to the UK government) but saying ahead of time how great they'd be to raise hopes. Buying them, testing them and finding they were no good was a risk worth taking imo. 6 bucks for a 6 cent swab, we look a bit amateur at this shit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tight minge Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 In, poorer countries, there is far less international travel, so perhaps this may help to keep the deaths down. Tbf to the useless toerags of a Westmister government, it wasn't quite months when they sat there with their fingers up their bottoms. However it was long enough so that when they did finally realise that a sh*tstorm had arrived, panic mode ensued, so I'm not surprised at variations in the accuracy of reporting mechanisms...., at first. What I do find almost unbelievable, incredulous really......., is that all these weeks into this...., the government almost seems to have just discovered that care homes exist. The government were aware on the 24th January and in an interview (Patel), stated they were preparing and had all in hand. The epidemiologist who have been listened to of late were warning before the 24th and being roundly ignored.Clearly at that point they weren’t taking this serious and just placating.The WHO first announced the existence circa 2nd January (in fairness, only a handful of countries took action, but also declared it an international emergency on the 30th January.Complacency and an ‘out of sight, out of mind attitude’ has aided the development. I would say it’s fair the say ‘months’.That can be considered a little unfair, but you would hope at government level they would truly weigh up these things especially if they are going to release public statements to say they are taking action and prepared.Many poor countries (vastly populated), have big enough international air networks to cause issues (India, Indonesia, Philippines, Pakistan, etc) and the lower figures are as more to do with non existent health care capabilities and reporting and thus being widely ignored.The above countries have definitely got considerably more deaths and infections than being reported. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herman Hessian Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 just over 100 years ago, almost identical American bluster and ignorance leads to thousands of avoidable deaths the tragedy is, it's not just the naysayers who carry the can - as would be the case if there was any justice in the world 100 years ago, 'Spanish flu' shut down Philadelphia – and wiped out thousands 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, ayrmad said: I'm just going off the simple 1 in 1000 death rate, this wave will kill between 30/40k in UK, that's taking us up near the 60% threshold, all governments can't be that lucky that their lockdown measure coincided with the magical 60%, I just don't believe that sort of luck happens in such matters too often, Sweden will already have almost their entire population covered with those numbers, it would be more of a possibility if Sweden hadn't taken quite a few of the measures like the rest of us. But you're pulling that 30/40k figure out of the air. Applying the numbers atm to Sweden would show 1.1m infections from a population of just over 10 million. That isn't entirely unrealistic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 minute ago, MixuFixit said: Doesn't matter given the overall price. The stupid thing was getting the English chief medical officer to wreck his credibility saying we were days away from being able to test people and ease restrictions It does matter, it tends to show how ill prepared we were. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 (edited) The alternative view @ayrmad is that, if the number of infections is 85x greater than recorded, lockdowns will have been much later in the curve than anticipated and therefore less effective at limiting the spread Edited April 17, 2020 by Todd_is_God 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, Tight John McVeigh is a tit said: The government were aware on the 24th January and in an interview (Patel), stated they were preparing and had all in hand. The epidemiologist who have been listened to of late were warning before the 24th and being roundly ignored. Clearly at that point they weren’t taking this serious and just placating. The WHO first announced the existence circa 2nd January (in fairness, only a handful of countries took action, but also declared it an international emergency on the 30th January. Complacency and an ‘out of sight, out of mind attitude’ has aided the development. I would say it’s fair the say ‘months’. That can be considered a little unfair, but you would hope at government level they would truly weigh up these things especially if they are going to release public statements to say they are taking action and prepared. Many poor countries (vastly populated), have big enough international air networks to cause issues (India, Indonesia, Philippines, Pakistan, etc) and the lower figures are as more to do with non existent health care capabilities and reporting and thus being widely ignored. The above countries have definitely got considerably more deaths and infections than being reported. Aye, was never totally buying this " poor countries don't travel " pish. if as few as 1% of Indians can afford air travel that's over 10 millions people, if 2 % of nigerians can afford air travel that's 4 million. I doubt 4 million scots got on a plane last year. Those countries healthcare systems ( costly and out the reach of many) & corruption poor data collection etc will explain their lack of cases 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: But you're pulling that 30/40k figure out of the air. Applying the numbers atm to Sweden would show 1.1m infections from a population of just over 10 million. That isn't entirely unrealistic. We will have 30/40k, we'll be around 20k at the moment. As for Sweden, was getting that muddled up with Stockholm who are well on their way already. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: The alternative view @ayrmad is that, if thr number of infections is 85x greater than recorded, lockdowns will have been much later in the curve than anticipated and therefore less effective at limiting the spread I hope those figures are correct as I've a fairly good chance of already having my shot without noticing. Our government weren't interested in limiting the spread, stopping the NHS going into meltdown was their only goal, it's repeated almost everyday either here or down south. Edited April 17, 2020 by ayrmad 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Just watching news at ten. Those Chinese figures. If their blatant and industrial scale cover up wasn’t so tragic it would be funny. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 I think there is a lot of wishful thinking going on with people who have been feeling a bit poorly saying yip that's me had it, the fluffy version of Covid19. Surely a priority is an antibody test for all healthcare workers. That would be a better guide to what's going on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, dirty dingus said: I think there is a lot of wishful thinking going on with people who have been feeling a bit poorly saying yip that's me had it, the fluffy version of Covid19. Surely a priority is an antibody test for all healthcare workers. That would be a better guide to what's going on. All we need is one that works reliably, and then in quantity. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 4 hours ago, coprolite said: I find that highly offensive. Using an apostrophe for a plural ffs So many folk do it on here. I think in some cases it's a typing error but in most it seems that an astonishingly high number of people think that almost any word that ends with an 's' requires an apostrophe. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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