Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[dirty dingus]

6 minutes ago, Lex said:

 

My missus Mum is a frontline NHS worker in South Lanarkshire.

She had a cough on the 2nd of April, tested positive on the 6th, 7 days of self isolation and back to work on the 14th.

 

That's the thing now she's tested positive and thankfully came through it but now not knowing if she has required antibodies to be 100% clear is the problem. My sis and her man were both under the weather early April, both nurses. My sis said she lost her sense of smell and felt lightheaded/spaced out but no respiratory problems for 3-4 days. Neither tested but both were on vacation(at home) at the time. 

[Fullerene]

51 minutes ago, effeffsee_the2nd said:

Aye, was never totally buying this " poor countries don't travel " pish. if as few as 1% of Indians can afford air travel that's over 10 millions people,  if 2 % of nigerians can afford air travel that's 4 million. I doubt 4 million scots got on a plane last year.

Those countries healthcare systems ( costly and out the reach of many)  & corruption poor data collection etc will explain their lack of cases

Edinburgh airport had around 15 million passengers last year.  Glasgow about 10 million.  Aberdeen about 3 million.

However I take your point that a tiny sliver of the population of India or Pakistan or Nigeria or Indonesia is still an an enormous number.

[Tight minge]

Those countries healthcare systems ( costly and out the reach of many)  & corruption poor data collection etc will explain their lack of cases

The Indonesian government have released 600,000IDR (circa £30) for the next three months to every household. The vast majority of that money is going into the hip pocket of the local councillors.

Most rural hospitals have no equipment at all. Usually a few sparse beds and a couple of oxygen tanks. So even if you could afford to go to hospital, there is no chance of any treatment. Hospitals tend to turn people away as they can do nothing for them. All this adds up to people suffering at home and relying on ‘juju’ as there is no other option.

Something like Covid-19 hitting a kampung could cause major devastation and it will never be recorded. Countries like Indonesia, India, Philippines, Pakistan, Nigeria will not return massive numbers as they just can’t. The death rates in these places would most definitely be higher due to malnutrition and many underlying issues.

In normal circumstances something as serious as this would be supported by the international community, but with this global pandemic, they are on their own.

And ‘we’ have it tough as we have to stay at home and exercise social distancing.

[NotThePars]

3 hours ago, MixuFixit said:

Quite often predictive typing on the phone does it and I cba to fix it when it happens

And also anyone that cares that much about policing grammar is a VL.

[GAD]

In India they are claiming it's only the Muslims that have got it and spreading it anyway. No chance you'll ever know how many people have got it in that country.

[Detournement]

7 hours ago, dirty dingus said:

I think there is a lot of wishful thinking going on with people who have been feeling a bit poorly saying yip that's me had it, the fluffy version of Covid19. Surely a priority is an antibody test for all healthcare workers. That would be a better guide to what's going on.

There's a French naval vessel where over 1000 sailors have tested posituve but only 500 hundred are showing even mild symptoms.

From memory it was something like 40 needed medical treatment and 1 was in intensive care. 

[Detournement]

7 hours ago, Fullerene said:

Edinburgh airport had around 15 million passengers last year.  Glasgow about 10 million.  Aberdeen about 3 million.

However I take your point that a tiny sliver of the population of India or Pakistan or Nigeria or Indonesia is still an an enormous number.

The difference is India, Pakistan etc are far more economically segregated than here. 

[Tight minge]

In India they are claiming it's only the Muslims that have got it and spreading it anyway. No chance you'll ever know how many people have got it in that country.

Like the other countries, we will never know the true figure from India. With the caste system still in place, I doubt any of the ‘untouchables’ (160m+) well ever be counted.

There are increasing divisions of late over caste and religion and this will have an impact as you noted.

[Tight minge]

The difference is India, Pakistan etc are far more economically segregated than here. 

That really isn’t so true. Affluent areas are surrounded by slums and the daily interactions, especially with such a contagious virus, there is little escaping it.

[Guest JTS98]

8 hours ago, effeffsee_the2nd said:

Aye, was never totally buying this " poor countries don't travel " pish. if as few as 1% of Indians can afford air travel that's over 10 millions people,  if 2 % of nigerians can afford air travel that's 4 million. I doubt 4 million scots got on a plane last year.

 

9 hours ago, beefybake said:

In,  poorer countries, there is far less international travel, so perhaps this may help to keep the deaths down.

There's a different type of travel, but it's certainly not correct to assume that poor countries don't contribute significantly to international travel.

Roughly 10 million Indonesians go abroad each year. Four million international travellers passed through Nigeria's airports in 2018. In India air travel figures annually equal roughly 10% of the population.

Just because people in pool countries aren't heading off to Disneyland doesn't mean they aren't going abroad. People fly to other countries to work or study in huge numbers, people go abroad for religious reasons or to get married, or to visit family.

International travel is not only the norm in the rich world.

[resk]

There's a French naval vessel where over 1000 sailors have tested posituve but only 500 hundred are showing even mild symptoms.
From memory it was something like 40 needed medical treatment and 1 was in intensive care. 

^^^ Priti Patel

[SlipperyP]

A Temple in Bangkok giving away free food to the hungry.  1km long queue that was like this all day yesterday.  Government, rather than helping the situation (sending police or army to get people separated) just closed the place down,. Poor people are getting hungry and have no money (jobs all stopped).  Another 12 days of nothing opening at least....

 

[Tight minge]

There's a different type of travel, but it's certainly not correct to assume that poor countries don't contribute significantly to international travel.
Roughly 10 million Indonesians go abroad each year. Four million international travellers passed through Nigeria's airports in 2018. In India air travel figures annually equal roughly 10% of the population.
Just because people in pool countries aren't heading off to Disneyland doesn't mean they aren't going abroad. People fly to other countries to work or study in huge numbers, people go abroad for religious reasons or to get married, or to visit family.
International travel is not only the norm in the rich world.

Air travel is as much more accessible and necessary in some of these countries with the likes of Lion Air, Sriwijaya, Batak, Cebu, Go, Spice, etc and with poorer infrastructure and controls, arguably airports and air travel would be a bigger concern than in the west. Not less.

As said earlier the lower figures is most likely down to the inability to gather that data.

[SlipperyP]

6 minutes ago, Tight John McVeigh is a tit said:

 

Air travel is as much more accessible and necessary in some of these countries with the likes of Lion Air, Sriwijaya, Batak, Cebu, Go, Spice, etc and with poorer infrastructure and controls, arguably airports and air travel would be a bigger concern than in the west. Not less.

As said earlier the lower figures is most likely down to the inability to gather that data.

 

We are only testing people if they are getting admitted into hospital or die.  It cost 3000 baht to be tested (everyone has to pay) as this is not treatment.  Free treatment if you are positive, but still have to pay for the test in the first place.  We have a NHS where everyone gets free treatment on demand. (you have to pay for food, cleaning, tests and if you want an upgrade bed/air-con room etc)

3000 baht = 75 GBP  not cheap for the average person.

[Jacksgranda]

2 hours ago, GAD said:

In India they are claiming it's only the Muslims that have got it and spreading it anyway. No chance you'll ever know how many people have got it in that country.

It'll be 138,000,000 as that's how many muslims there are...

[welshbairn]

I'd have thought there was a lot less flying in Africa than most places, you hear about people having to fly to Paris and back to get from one West African country to another.

P.S.

Edited April 18, 2020 by welshbairn

[bennett]

3 hours ago, GAD said:

In India they are claiming it's only the Muslims that have got it and spreading it anyway. No chance you'll ever know how many people have got it in that country.

Tommy Robinson should fly over there,  he'd have a huge audience. 

2 hours ago, SlipperyP said:

A Temple in Bangkok giving away free food to the hungry.  1km long queue that was like this all day yesterday.  Government, rather than helping the situation (sending police or army to get people separated) just closed the place down,. Poor people are getting hungry and have no money (jobs all stopped).  Another 12 days of nothing opening at least....

 

Makes our moans and groans about how hard the lockdown is look rather petty and stupid.

 

[beefybake]

4 hours ago, Detournement said:

There's a French naval vessel where over 1000 sailors have tested posituve but only 500 hundred are showing even mild symptoms.

From memory it was something like 40 needed medical treatment and 1 was in intensive care. 

Not too many over 50.., 60.., or 70 year olds on naval vessels.

[Tight minge]

For anyone that thinks the Chinese government are helping the rest of the world out of the goodness of their hearts.

 

 

Can’t believe anyone would think that. Chinas belt and road initiative has been a huge problem generally ignored by the west. In a lot of ways, its their Marshall plan and they have been quietly building things up over the years with little opposition from the west.

 

Many goodwill projects done based on loans and land grabs that leave many nations in debt to China our losing control of important resources.

 

China doing the same here, trying to look good, but I am sure (and can see it already happening), some countries now trying to bring them in.

 

 

[welshbairn]

3 minutes ago, Tight John McVeigh is a tit said:

 

Can’t believe anyone would think that. Chinas belt and road initiative has been a huge problem generally ignored by the west. In a lot of ways, its their Marshall plan and they have been quietly building things up over the years with little opposition from the west.

Many goodwill projects done based on loans and land grabs that leave many nations in debt to China our losing control of important resources.

China diing the same here, trying to look good, but I am sure (and can see it already happening), some countries now trying to bring them in.
 

 

Are you still riding it out in Singapore?