ayrmad Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Detournement said: It was care home deaths that had Sweden surging to start with. The care home situation is going to be difficult to resolve. Yes, they admitted they made an arse of it with regards to care homes. Edited May 7, 2020 by ayrmad 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, Snafu said: The privately run care homes can decide for themselves when its safe for the end of their lockdown. No one is suggesting otherwise 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Wee Bully said: The politics of envy. Someone should do something, Just not me. ^^^forelock-tugging, bootlicker, basking in the reflected wealth of the billionaire class 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 30 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Absolutely. But it should not be the driving force behind lockdown policy. They should be noted and reflected on as for those who lose loved ones in care homes it is tragic, but we should discuss and report on the trend and deaths in hospitals only. An virus rampaging through care homes should not be the reason people cannot visit family and friends. Nah, can't agree with that nonsense, I'd be highly offended if my loved ones death was swept under the carpet, luckily for me I've no oldies to worry about now. Don't think the situation in care homes will have much bearing on lockdown restrictions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweeperDee Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 I agree. The government should nationalise the sector if providers can't guarantee resident safety.Aye, okay. [emoji23] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Is tonight's pots and pans shanfest set to celebrate having Europe's highest death toll or its most useless failure of a lockdown?Most have even forgotten what its about and it's pretty much become a virtue signaling piece of nonsense.Give them ppe not this pish 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 1 minute ago, ayrmad said: Nah, can't agree with that nonsense, I'd be highly offended if my loved ones death was swept under the carpet, luckily for me I've no oldies to worry about now. Don't think the situation in care homes will have much bearing on lockdown restrictions. If they're including care home cases in the R0 figures then it absolutely does. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 1 minute ago, SweeperDee said: Aye, okay. The government are paying the wages of 25% workers and throwing about hundreds of billions of QE. There is no reason it can't be done and would probably be cost neutral long term when you consider how much care home owners extract from the state. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 11 minutes ago, virginton said: Is tonight's pots and pans shanfest set to celebrate having Europe's highest death toll or its most useless failure of a lockdown? I'll ask Sheila later. Or the boy across the road with the fag hingin' out the mooth. Or Mrs Cathro (in her jim-jams last week). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, virginton said: If they're including care home cases in the R0 figures then it absolutely does. My last sentence covers that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Jacksgranda said: Don't do as I do, do as I say. You must be a politician or a Windsor family member. 1 hour ago, ayrmad said: Just get ICU capacity up to a level that allows us to get this over in done after one complete easing of lockdown, those in vulnerable groups can without penalty carry on as is if they wish. I'm in a vulnerable group so whit dae ye mean? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Wee Willie said: You must be a politician or a Windsor family member. I'm in a vulnerable group so whit dae ye mean? You can continue shielding if you wish whilst still receiving any financial benefits you're due. Edited May 7, 2020 by ayrmad 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, ayrmad said: You can continue shielding if you wish whilst still receiving any financial benefits you're due. Fair do's but my worry is when can I be unshielded ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 12 minutes ago, Wee Willie said: You must be a politician or a Windsor family member. You've picked that up wrong. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Just now, Wee Willie said: Fair do's but my worry is when can I be unshielded ? In all honesty, that will be your call at some point in the future, lockdown or otherwise isn't really your starting point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Clockwork said: This must have been questioned!?? Why spend millions on additional capacity up and down the country and the opportunity to isolate Covid-19 patients, then continue to treat them in facilities already busy caring for those who are vulnerable with other health concerns? Not only continuing to expose all staff, whilst diverting and diluting other staff resource (read that it was 180 staff to 35 Patients at the 4,000 bed Nightingale Hospital in London) and leave it pretty much empty, eventually mothballing it. This isn’t hindsight for the planners surely? Read somewhere and no idea if it's true or not, but the new hospitals were designed mainly to cope with people with severe respiratory issues. Unfortunately covid can attack most organs and cause other issues that these hospitals weren't equipped to deal with. Again, no idea of the source of this so could be BS Edited May 7, 2020 by madwullie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverton End Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Detournement said: Surely it's better to have had it? Just glad she doesn't have it, as she has underlying health problems. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 48 minutes ago, Snafu said: The privately run care homes can decide for themselves when its safe for the end of their lockdown. The company that runs the care home my mother locked down long before and without being told to by governments or their experts. They did their own risk assessment after a worker at an Aberdeen care home tested positive and locked down immediately as opportunity for virus ripping through their homes was not worth the risk staying open for visitors. Also its not all about the concern for the residents, if the staff become ill then the remaining staff become less and less able to cope with the demands of giving the residents the quality of life they need to be happy and comfortable. I doubt anyone in government has ever had to look after someone with dementia, it is hard work and can be overwhelming once it reaches care 24/7 round the clock. Any 24/7 caring is tough going but I'd imagine looking after a dementia patient would be even more trying. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52568716 Whacked by someone. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 13 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: You've picked that up wrong. It was a joke but you'll surely agree that don't do as I do, do as I say is something politicians and the Windsor family would say. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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