Wee Bully Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 If wearing a mask next winter is the only thing we're asked to do then I'll happily take that.If I'm sitting here this time next year and can't go for a pint, can't see friends or family, can't go to the gym, play 5s or even get a haircut then what's the fucking point? I'm also supposed to be getting married in December having already pushed that back a year. I realise this probably comes across as selfish but so f**k - there will be thousands if not millions of people in the same boat and Whitty should be laughed at for even suggesting bringing in restrictions every winter.To repeat for the umpteenth time, if the vaccines result in low hospitalisations and low deaths then no restrictions are needed. Hopefully in a few months we can file covid under the big list of "things we might but are very unlikely to die from" and people can start to pick up the pieces of their lives. Agree 100% 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP_MFC Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 If wearing a mask next winter is the only thing we're asked to do then I'll happily take that.If I'm sitting here this time next year and can't go for a pint, can't see friends or family, can't go to the gym, play 5s or even get a haircut then what's the fucking point? I'm also supposed to be getting married in December having already pushed that back a year. I realise this probably comes across as selfish but so f**k - there will be thousands if not millions of people in the same boat and Whitty should be laughed at for even suggesting bringing in restrictions every winter.To repeat for the umpteenth time, if the vaccines result in low hospitalisations and low deaths then no restrictions are needed. Hopefully in a few months we can file covid under the big list of "things we might but are very unlikely to die from" and people can start to pick up the pieces of their lives. Bingo.And that's likely how it will go especially with more and more vaccines and various treatments likely to also come down the line.If we are in a position where we need to wear a mask in certain environments to try and add further protection to vulnerable people (remember these vaccines aren't 100% effective... Yet) then it really isnae the beginning of the downward spiral but simply a sensible precaution to allow people to try and carry on with their lives. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, MP_MFC said: It really isn't. Staying at home is a restriction, social distancing is a restriction, curfews are a restriction. A piece of cloth that you may be asked to wear in certain circumstances really isn't restriction anymore than being asked to wear smart dress to work. It is a restriction. Claiming it isn't is, frankly, bizarre. ETA just because it is something you'd be happy to continue doing doesn't make it not a restriction. Edited January 5, 2021 by Todd_is_God -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP_MFC Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 It is a restriction. Claiming it isn't is, frankly, bizarre.No more bizarre than claiming covid was over as a public health crisis. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 You may want to let the WHO know thenFirst google hit on “WHO” “flu” and “masks”https://www.who.int/csr/resources/publications/Adviceusemaskscommunityrevised.pdf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, Wee Bully said: First google hit on “WHO” “flu” and “masks” https://www.who.int/csr/resources/publications/Adviceusemaskscommunityrevised.pdf And where does it say they are effective? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 And where does it say they are effective?Where does it say “they don’t actually work”? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, Wee Bully said: Where does it say “they don’t actually work”? You produced the link to show that the WHO suggested they worked, despite it stating no such thing. Maybe you should have read your first result on Google from 12 years ago first. No study to date has shown them to do anything. Edited January 5, 2021 by Todd_is_God -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 20 minutes ago, MP_MFC said: A piece of cloth that you may be asked to wear in certain circumstances really isn't restriction anymore than being asked to wear smart dress to work. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 You produced the link to show that the WHO suggested they worked, despite it stating no such thing. Maybe you should have read your first result on Google from 12 years ago first. No study to date has shown them to do anything. Even a quick read of that shows that there is an impact from mask wearing - only question is the definition of “significant”. Where is this table from? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Wee Bully said: Even a quick read of that shows that there is an impact from mask wearing - only question is the definition of “significant”. Where? "No significant difference" does not automatically mean there was any difference at all. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PWL Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 8 minutes ago, Detournement said: Cos being asked to wear a face mask for 90 secs in the Spar while you buy a paper and a Kit Kat is comparable to the systematic extermination of 6m people..... 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, Wee Bully said: Where is this table from? A WHO document released 10 years after yours WHO-WHE-IHM-GIP-2019.1-eng.pdf -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 On 04/01/2021 at 09:25, MixuFruit said: Imagining getting jabbed in a brewdog pub then getting given a token for some pint of undrinkable beer called "dirty wee p***k" or something On 04/01/2021 at 09:39, doulikefish said: Brewdog love some publicity I was going to go back and read what I'd missed, but I've found the peak already. These two posts were made fourteen minutes apart. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Where? "No significant difference" does not automatically mean there was any difference at all.Here’s the words from above your table (google is a wonderful thing). You may notice a number of conclusions that, in fact, masks provide a “significant reduction in ILI” if worn correctly. I suppose if I had just pulled a table from some Covid-denier Twitter account without context, I might have reached the same conclusion as you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest_Fifer Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 A fixed penalty notice to go with his buggered leg. https://www.inverness-courier.co.uk/news/walkers-fined-over-covid-rules-breach-after-mountain-rescue-223723 Two men were given fixed penalty notices after being rescued from a Munro on Hogmanay. Police and mountain rescue teams were called to help when the hikers got into difficulty descending Buachaille Etive Mòr in Glen Coe. Police Scotland said that one of the men had sustained a leg injury which resulted in 25 members of Glencoe Mountain Rescue Team attending on foot to locate the men and safely assist them off the hill. The injured man was taken by road ambulance to hospital for assessment. During the rescue, a member of Glencoe MRT suffered an injury which is currently undergoing medical assessment. Inspector Kevin Macleod, from Highlands and Islands Police Division, said: “The men had travelled from Oban to hike this route, and found themselves in difficultly as the light was fading at 3.25pm when police and MRT were called. “The rescue took a total of 108 man hours and the team stood down at 7.30pm. Both men, aged 21 and 27, were issued with fixed penalty notices for breaching travel regulations. "We continue to ask people to take personal responsibility to do the right thing and remember the purpose of these measures is to aid the collective effort to protect the NHS and save lives by preventing the virus from spreading." The travel restrictions in Scotland have been tightened further since the incident, with a national lockdown put in place from Tuesday morning. Andy Neilson, team leader at Glencoe Mountain Rescue, said: “We will always continue to provide the vital MRT service that we are committed to. However, the volunteers assisting the men did feel vulnerable due to the inevitable close contact required and we have to prioritise the health of our members in order to continue to provide this vital service." That's like when someone has injured themselves hacking down a forward, and the ref waits for them to get back up before sending them off... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 6 minutes ago, PWL said: Cos being asked to wear a face mask for 90 secs in the Spar while you buy a paper and a Kit Kat is comparable to the systematic extermination of 6m people..... Slippery slope, imho... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, Wee Bully said: I suppose if I had just pulled a table from some Covid-denier Twitter account without context, I might have reached the same conclusion as you. Bit awkward for you then that I've already posted the entire publication then, isn't it? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Detournement Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 9 minutes ago, PWL said: Cos being asked to wear a face mask for 90 secs in the Spar while you buy a paper and a Kit Kat is comparable to the systematic extermination of 6m people..... It's obviously a gross exaggeration just pointing out that a piece of cloth can be a signifier. If masks are still required after the vaccine it will be more about keeping the public in a crisis state of mind and primed for further restrictions/societal changes than for health reasons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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