Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[vikingTON]

3 minutes ago, Bert Raccoon said:

 

Was going to say the same, big difference between having over 100k people in a field for a week with no social distancing, people from various parts of the UK and little sanitisation at a place like Glastonbury than 20 folk in a pub with protocols in place. The two are completely different.  No one expects everything to just open again instantly but we certainly shouldn't accept being locked in the house for another year either.

There's also the reality that if you're trying to run a proper music festival - so not you Geoff Ellis - you really need to get your ducks in a row months in advance to make it run smoothly. There's no chance of having the guarantees in place to turn over a site to hold a festival like that at the moment.

The bigger question will be gigs in established venues. Artists can punt the dates back for now but the main restraining factor are restrictions on venues opening and the useless, social distancing nonsense. Once those are filed in the bin then you could restart fairly quickly, so long as the venues and industry itself has just about survived.

[Todd_is_God]

As much as i'd be disappointed if I can't go to TRNSMT this year, i've already got in my head that it'll be off.

I'll be incandescent though if I can't go to a pub or restaurant in the summer, without booking a 2 hour slot in advance, as I could do that last year when we didn't have a vaccine!

I'm also booked for Mexico in September. I've got absolutely no doubt that Mexico will be open for tourism then as they are open just now, but i'm not entirely convinced the UKGov / SG will let me go despite the fact i'll be vaccinated.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

2 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

As much as i'd be disappointed if I can't go to TRNSMT this year, i've already got in my head that it'll be off.

I'll be incandescent though if I can't go to a pub or restaurant in the summer, without booking a 2 hour slot in advance, as I could do that last year when we didn't have a vaccine!

I'm also booked for Mexico in September. I've got absolutely no doubt that Mexico will be open for tourism then as they are open just now, but i'm not entirely convinced the UKGov / SG will let me go despite the fact i'll be vaccinated.

Tbh I dont think they will stop it at that point because if they do we basically stand to have the collapse of the entire airline industry in the UK and associated businesses, there is no way they’ll get the money they need from the government to miss another summer season and survive. 

[101]

40 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

Absolutely this. Providing it's legal, i'm going.

I doubt it will be illegal to travel the mass gathering at Trafalgar Square normally has enough soap in it to mean it's the cleanest place in London.

21 minutes ago, Elixir said:

As previously mentioned, this would be a dangerous precedent. I wonder if I or anyone on this forum has ever passed on influenza which has led to the death of some old biddy?

That isn't the way a rational individual should ever, or has ever, operated. And nor should a pragmatic society

I agree but I don't think personal responsibility is actually that good a phrase or an idea when it comes to something that will do very little to most people. Maybe personal responsibility and govt advice on high risk groups but I can't see personal responsibility working if the vaccine isn't the golden bullet. For instance if I tested positive of Covid and went to see my pals, all in their early 20s it is of course my choice and I have weighted up the decision but I don't think it's the safe decision or the one I would make and I'm not sure enough people would sit at home for 10 days whilst it, hopefully, passed.

[Todd_is_God]

7 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Tbh I dont think they will stop it at that point because if they do we basically stand to have the collapse of the entire airline industry in the UK and associated businesses, there is no way they’ll get the money they need from the government to miss another summer season and survive. 

I don't know. On one hand you have a valid point. But on the other it would make a complete mockery of whatever restrictions they have in place at the time to allow people to fly to places where the likes of Coco Bongo are open, yet at the same time restrict the numbers here that can attend outdoor venues like racetracks and stadia.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

Just now, Todd_is_God said:

I don't know. On one hand you have a valid point. But on the other it would make a complete mockery of whatever restrictions they have in place at the time to allow people to fly to places where the likes of Coco Bongo are open, yet at the same time restrict the numbers here that can attend outdoor venues like racetracks and stadia.

If we have the requisite proportion of the population vaccinated and hospital admissions and transmission are down as the israeli model predicts then we absolutely should be restriction free. That doesnt mean we dont carefully monitor it and even consider testing, but we cant go on like this. The fact the sage advisors the government actually seems to trust are suggesting we will be treating it endemically soon does fill me with hope. The approval of the J&J vaccine will also speed up the ability to power through the population also. 

[Todd_is_God]

4 minutes ago, 101 said:

I doubt it will be illegal to travel the mass gathering at Trafalgar Square normally has enough soap in it to mean it's the cleanest place in London.

I agree but I don't think personal responsibility is actually that good a phrase or an idea when it comes to something that will do very little to most people. Maybe personal responsibility and govt advice on high risk groups but I can't see personal responsibility working if the vaccine isn't the golden bullet. For instance if I tested positive of Covid and went to see my pals, all in their early 20s it is of course my choice and I have weighted up the decision but I don't think it's the safe decision or the one I would make and I'm not sure enough people would sit at home for 10 days whilst it, hopefully, passed.

Once the vaccine is bedded in, the only reason you should test positive for Covid is because you are ill enough to be in hospital, or at least require medical assistance. Like we do with flu.

Post vaccine roll out we cannot continue to test, trace and isolate everyone with symptoms mild enough to be still out galavanting.

By all means stay home and off work if you are ill. But there will be no routine testing like there is now.

[Todd_is_God]

14 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

If we have the requisite proportion of the population vaccinated and hospital admissions and transmission are down as the israeli model predicts then we absolutely should be restriction free. That doesnt mean we dont carefully monitor it and even consider testing, but we cant go on like this. The fact the sage advisors the government actually seems to trust are suggesting we will be treating it endemically soon does fill me with hope. The approval of the J&J vaccine will also speed up the ability to power through the population also. 

You are right, but i've got zero confidence that, even in the scenario you describe, the SG will adopt such a laissez faire attitude.

I've got every confidence we will be among the, if not the, last (certainly in Europe) to be restriction free, and will not make this move until after England do so.

Edited January 23, 2021 by Todd_is_God

[Todd_is_God]

43 minutes ago, Elixir said:

As previously mentioned, this would be a dangerous precedent. I wonder if I or anyone on this forum has ever passed on influenza which has led to the death of some old biddy?

That isn't the way a rational individual should ever, or has ever, operated. And nor should a pragmatic society.

I do often wonder what would have happened if the initial outbreak occurred in a western democracy. I imagine we likely would have followed typical epidemic mitigation measures and been more akin to Sweden.

I remember how unthinkable it seemed at the time when they shut up shop in Wuhan, believing how such a measure would never happen here... Indeed, the media also ran with this. Yet here we are.

Ferguson pretty much said he hit a semi when the Italians locked down Bergamo and realised they could get away with it here too.

Edited January 23, 2021 by Todd_is_God

[red23]

3 hours ago, Gaz FFC said:

My work has a policy that seems to be we don't care how little/much you do but if you arrive 1 Minute late then you're worse than Hitler.

They also have this crazy approach to people caught going away a few minutes early. As I say they don't actually ask how much you did in the middle part.

worked in a place like this before. If you left on time it was frowned upon and would always draw comments to make you feel guilty. Most people would do a good 30/40 minutes longer than necessary. Some people would sit there until 6pm having come in at 8. I was a villain for leaving on time despite being early. 

Thank f**k those days are over.

Edited January 23, 2021 by red23

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8 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

I'm gonna write an award-winning screenplay which is basically The Last of Us but also Janey Godley became a governing tyrant thanks to the apocalypse

If I live to see this happen the last thing I do before killing myself will be to hunt you down and hand you to Janey myself to be her companion.

[Elixir]

Bill Gates trolling the anti-vaxxers into oblivion. 

[Distant Doonhamer]

Ferguson pretty much said he hit a semi when the Italians locked down Bergamo and realised they could get away with it here too.

Ferguson may well have hit a semi then. Presumably he was fully erect when he broke said lockdown to visit his bird.

[Left Back]

20 minutes ago, Distant Doonhamer said:

Ferguson may well have hit a semi then. Presumably he was fully erect when he broke said lockdown to visit his bird.

Did she not visit him?  Might have been awkward if he chipped up at her house when her husband was home.

[mizfit]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55765875

[sparky88]

8 hours ago, Todd_is_God said:

I don't know. On one hand you have a valid point. But on the other it would make a complete mockery of whatever restrictions they have in place at the time . 

They already did that with Christmas Day

[ICTChris]

8 hours ago, Elixir said:

Bill Gates trolling the anti-vaxxers into oblivion. 

Bill Gates can now track himself with an implanted microchip wherever he goes. Scary.

9 hours ago, Bert Raccoon said:

 

Was going to say the same, big difference between having over 100k people in a field for a week with no social distancing, people from various parts of the UK and little sanitisation at a place like Glastonbury than 20 folk in a pub with protocols in place. The two are completely different.  No one expects everything to just open again instantly but we certainly shouldn't accept being locked in the house for another year either.

Depends what you mean by protocols. You mention social distancing and sanitisation but the evidence is becoming clear that aerosol spread is the main method of transmission. This means that staying 2m away from people and clarting your hands with sanitiser in an unventilated, enclosed space is pretty useless. Being outside is a far better guarantor of safety. Proportionally the 100k at Glastonbury might be at less risk than the 20 sitting in The Vaults.

The point about people from all over the UK mixing is probably a stronger reason not to have Glastonbury. I’m assuming people don’t travel from hundreds of miles to go to the Vaults.

[Theroadlesstravelled]

4 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

Bill Gates can now track himself with an implanted microchip wherever he goes. Scary.

 

Ever since I got vaccinated I’ve had a strong urge to buy Microsoft products.

[The Moonster]

15 hours ago, Theroadlesstravelled said:

So we have a professor of virology saying that we need to keep the lockdown in place.
Can we have an QAnon, anti-covid bam saying it's all fake to balance it out?

 

She might be a virologist, but she's not an economist and she's certainly not a psychologist, as much as she seems to think a bit of sunshine will keep spirits up. Of course someone looking purely at how to stop a virus is going to say lockdown. I think everyone agrees the best way to supress a virus is to isolate but there comes a point when the economy needs restarted and we need to watch the population doesn't start topping themselves like Lemmings. Sridhar doesn't have a solution for the economy or peoples mental well being in the meantime. Both are becoming critical.

[dirty dingus]

 

Let the show begin.