LongTimeLurker Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 hour ago, oaksoft said: ...Published science is rammed to the rafters with mistakes and fellow scientists arguing the toss for decades... It's all about testable models/theorems based on reason and reproducible data and over time as the measurements that can be made improve, the explanations provided can be a moving target. The problems start when you have something like future global temperatures or future coronavirus case number predictions where the models inherently have to extrapolate well beyond what can actually really be supported based on the available reproducible data. Then you can start to enter into clashes between politicised faith based or dogmatic belief systems especially if major policy decisions hinge upon the models predicting certain things. Pay no attention to that Swedish epidemiologist behind the curtain... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: It's all about testable models/theorems based on reason and reproducible data and over time as the measurements that can be made improve, the explanations provided can be a moving target. The problems start when you have something like future global temperatures or future coronavirus case number predictions where the models inherently have to extrapolate well beyond what can actually really be supported based on the available reproducible data. Then you can start to enter into clashes between politicised faith based or dogmatic belief systems especially if major policy decisions hinge upon the models predicting certain things. Pay no attention to that Swedish epidemiologist behind the curtain... Or on the case of mask wearing, ignore all the other measures that are in place and are introduced at different times in different ways as it make the studies too difficult. Ignore the lack of co-ordination with different jurisdictions and the lack of easily obtainable information regarding these measures and then present a paper that states mask wearing reduces transmission by X% with 95% confidence. Absolutely made up science. Edited July 12, 2021 by strichener 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 31 minutes ago, Snafu said: Could say more good news. This a good step forward in eventually dealing with this and at least we get an idea why this post infection issue occurs. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jul/12/long-covid-rogue-antibody-discovery-raises-hope-of-blood-test Long Covid: rogue antibody discovery raises hope of blood test Test could be available from GPs within six months, as scientists warn of ‘a lot of damage to a lot of lives’ Scientists have raised hopes of a blood test for long Covid after discovering distinctive patterns of rogue antibodies in patients whose symptoms persisted for months. Researchers at Imperial College London identified so-called “autoantibodies” in long Covid patients that were absent in people who recovered quickly from the virus, or who had not tested positive for the disease. Unlike normal antibodies which help fight off infections, autoantibodies attack healthy tissues by mistake, causing ongoing damage and illness through the equivalent of biological friendly fire. With the further easing of coronavirus restrictions in England on 19 July, some scientists believe the UK should be braced for hundreds of thousands of cases of long Covid, a condition where patients experience symptoms such as chronic fatigue, breathlessness, muscle pain and headaches. “It’s hard to escape a prediction that 100,000 new infections a day equates to 10,000 to 20,000 long Covid cases a day, especially in young people. That’s a lot of damage to a lot of lives. And it’s hard to see that we’d have the healthcare provision to deal with it on that scale,” said Danny Altmann, a professor of immunology at Imperial. “All of us working on this could not be more alarmed.” Prof Altmann’s research on a blood test for long Covid was filmed as a work-in-progress for BBC’s Panorama and is at a very early stage. “I’m fairly optimistic, so I’d hope that within six months we’d have a simple blood test that you could get from your GP,” he told the programme. Altmann and his colleagues took blood samples from dozens of Covid patients and healthy individuals who have not had the virus. The populations of antibodies in the blood differed markedly between long Covid patients and those who recovered from the virus swiftly or had not tested positive. While antibodies are a crucial line of defence against infection and prevent coronavirus from invading human cells, the immune system sometimes misfires and produces autoantibodies that attack healthy cells by mistake. In previous work, a team led by Akiko Iwasaki at Yale University found that some Covid patients have rogue antibodies that attack their organs, tissues and the immune system instead of the invading coronavirus. In December, the Department of Health announced that it was setting up dozens of long Covid clinics in England to provide specialist care for people with ongoing symptoms. According to the Panorama team, four of the clinics only see patients that were hospitalised with Covid, while at others, patients faced waits of up to six months to be seen. Freedom of information requests submitted by MPs have highlighted similar problems. The Department of Health said: “The government rapidly provided specialist care for acutely ill Covid-19 patients at the start of the pandemic and we’ve matched that speed and scale in our support for people with long Covid.” BBC Panorama – long Covid: Will I ever get better?” will be broadcast at 7.35pm on Monday on BBC One. A waste of time. virginton says it doesn’t exist, so why are we researching it? -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distant Doonhamer Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 2,134* new cases of COVID-19 reported 21,326* new tests for COVID-19 that reported results 11.1% of these were positive 0 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive (noting that Register Offices are now generally closed at weekends) 40 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 (unchanged) 469 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 (up from 444). 3,934,408 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 2,893,271 have received their second dose * Public Health Scotland are aware of a delay in results from the Glasgow lighthouse laboratory. The laboratory is continuing to issue results as tests are processed whilst investigating and resolving the cause of the delay. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 24 minutes ago, Wee Bully said: A waste of time. virginton says it doesn’t exist, so why are we researching it? Evidence for this claim please. It's very much a good news story though, because once a test can be developed for this bog-standard version of post-viral fatigue, the malingerers and attention-seekers self-reporting their inability to finish a bottle of Peroni as "long Covid" can have their lifelong disability claims filed in the bin where they belong. Like Devi and the psycho brigade, their window of relevance is slamming shut. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 (edited) Daily Cases Update: Decent Day 6 of dropping cases. Down an excellent 3.26% to 355.9 and infectivity down a tick to 10.1 I expect further small decreases in range of 1.5-2.5% over next 2 days. Although the "Wave" appears over, the positivity last couple of days has been very high again and tested numbers are down. The only riser in the top 25 councils is East Renfrewshire. What appears apparent, but could just be coincidence, is the Level 2 areas are dropping quicker than the Level 1 areas. Midlothian our worst affected area is down to 8th place on the UK charts. Total Cases Scotland 7 days from 3rd July to 9th July were 20,101 to 19,445 down 3.26%. Positivity was 10.2% now 10.1%. Cases per 100k were 367.9 now 355.9 Home Nations Daily update : UK Average 286.3 to 298.1 up 4.40%, England 286.6 to 301.5 up 5.20%, Wales 135.7 to 139.3 up 2.65%, Northern Ireland 157.0 to 165.1 up 5.16% No updates from mainland Europe which is disappointing. Latest European figures today. Scotland 355.9, England 301.5, Northern Ireland 165.1, Wales 139.3, Portugal 109.3 to 118.0, Russia 97.8 to 100.0, Spain 76.3 to 92.9, at other end we have Poland 1.9 to 1.8, Germany 5.1 to 5.0, Italy 7.4 to 7.5, Czech 9.0 to 8.5, Switzerland 8.4 to 9.0, Sweden 14.2 to 16.0 https://www.statista.com/statistics/1139048/coronavirus-case-rates-in-the-past-7-days-in-europe-by-country/ Scotland peaksin Wave 3 at 425.1 for 27th June to 3rd July, (UK was 229.9) . Cases that day were 23,222 and positivity 10.8% Scotland previously peaked in wave 2 at 301.9 for figures 29th Dec to 4th Jan, (UK was 642.1) Cases that day were 16,496 and test positivity rate was 11.9% Council progress in last 24 Hours as follows. Click cases by neighbourhood to see the spread on the geographical map. https://public.tableau.com/profile/phs.covid.19#!/vizhome/COVID-19DailyDashboard_15960160643010/Overview LEVEL 2 RED Midlothian 709.5 to 668.4 Another drop a little larger at 5.79% Dundee City 702.5 to 638.2 6th day of dropping, this time an excellent 9.15% East Lothian 513.6 to 500.5 LEVEL 1 Inverclyde 494.9 to 484.6 LEVEL 1 City Of Edinburgh 492.4 to 474.9 6th day in a row down. Angus 469.9 to 465.6 LEVEL 1 East Renfrewshire 428.1 to 435.5 An unwelcome rise Glasgow City 433.7 to 426.1 West Dunbartonshire 411.6 to 409.3 LEVEL 1 Fife 397.0 to 384.7 LEVEL 1 Perth & Kinross 406.1 to 378.4 LEVEL 1 Continues large drops, today 6.82% Aberdeen City 383.1 to 373.0 LEVEL1 West Lothian 379.6 to 373.0 LEVEL1 Renfrewshire 398.7 to 368.0 Excellent down 7.70% East Dunbartonshire 390.3 to 367.3 North Lanarkshire 367.3 to 366.2 Falkirk 356.1 to 347.4 LEVEL 1 North Ayrshire 273.1 to 266.4 South Lanarkshire 275.2 to 266.1 Scottish Borders 274.3 to 255.4 LEVEL 1 East Ayrshire 263.9 to 243.4 Stirling 241.0 to 239.9 Highlands 240.0 to 228.6 LEVEL 1 South Ayrshire 236.2 to 215.8 Aberdeenshire 211.3 to 206.7 LEVEL 1 Clackmannanshire 207.6 to 192.1 OFFICIAL LEVEL 1 BLACK Argyll & Bute 173.5 to 173.5 Orkney Islands 112.3 to 125.7 Dumfries & Galloway 107.5 to 116.2 Moray 91.8 to 99.1 OFFICIAL LEVEL 0 Teuchters in Green Shetland Islands 52.4 to 56.7 Western Isles 44.9 to 41.2 Edited July 12, 2021 by superbigal 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiG Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Punted out of the pub last night at 22:30 just as they started on the penalty shoot out 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gav-ffc Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 22 minutes ago, RiG said: Punted out of the pub last night at 22:30 just as they started on the penalty shoot out Didn’t Jason speak to “the guys” 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Spoiler https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/euro-2020-extra-time-rules-24419729 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Wee Bully said: A waste of time. virginton says it doesn’t exist, so why are we researching it? Can't speak for him, but Long Covid does exist. It isn't as prevalent as people are claiming though. A bit like when someone says 'Im really OCD' when they clean their bathroom twice a week. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Javid currently addressing the HoC basically saying lets get on with it lads. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 I think most of us have been far too busy sipping on English tears today, but more pushback like this against the bedwetters is most welcome: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-57785073 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fifer Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 21 minutes ago, oaksoft said: Yep. He's sticking with removing the law on forcing masks to be worn. He's also adding some other nonsense about being "irresponsible" if you don't wear one but that's just to appease the Lovejoys so I couldn't care less about that. The law is being removed and that's a good thing. It beggars belief it took this long for them to realise that if we're on our 3rd wave with more than 90% compliance with wearing them indoors, then they obviously don't fucking work. BUT. They are toast now so I'm focussing on the positive. Just need Sturgeon to follow suit. Having emailed my MSP (who's on the Covid select committee) last week re: facemasks, he was unable to provide me with a single piece of evidence that is being used to make a decision on the continued use/effectiveness on facemasks (as I suspected). So you can guarantee they'll be enshrined into law in Scotland for the foreseeable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyle Lanley Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 23 minutes ago, oaksoft said: Yep. He's sticking with removing the law on forcing masks to be worn. He's also adding some other nonsense about being "irresponsible" if you don't wear one but that's just to appease the Lovejoys so I couldn't care less about that. The law is being removed and that's a good thing. It beggars belief it took this long for them to realise that if we're on our 3rd wave with more than 90% compliance with wearing them indoors, then they obviously don't fucking work. BUT. They are toast now so I'm focussing on the positive. Just need Sturgeon to follow suit. Tomorrow's update will confirm if the 9th of August will happen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anotherchance Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 25 minutes ago, Elixir said: I think most of us have been far too busy sipping on English tears today, but more pushback like this against the bedwetters is most welcome: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-57785073 Drakeford is very possibly King of the Lovejoys, so expect this advice to be glossed over and discarded. Good to have Prof Watkins on the good guy list though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 That’s me got my second appointment. I become immortal on 10th August. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 The government are going to rely on transport companies and retailers to enforce mask wearing for now. The stuff about 'encouraging' vaccine passports probably means no vaccine passport requirement equals no operating license from the council for at least nightclub, gigs and strippers just now and probably pubs getting forced into it in the winter. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyle Lanley Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 No shouting, singing or any celebrations as it may increase the transmission of Covid. Oh f**k off. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Tomorrow's update will confirm if the 9th of August will happen. The SG update tomorrow will be confirmation of 19th move to L0, 9 August move will be confirmed the week before then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EH75 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, Lyle Lanley said: No shouting, singing or any celebrations as it may increase the transmission of Covid. Oh f**k off. We can still boo though, right? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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