Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Lofarl]

Jab two done.  A few are off work again because that app alerted them.  So works gonna be busy again.  Have to wait two weeks for it to take effect then I can hopefully do some jabbing of my own.

[LongTimeLurker]

1 hour ago, oaksoft said:

...Published science is rammed to the rafters with mistakes and fellow scientists arguing the toss for decades...

It's all about testable models/theorems based on reason and reproducible data and over time as the measurements that can be made improve, the explanations provided can be a moving target. The problems start when you have something like future global temperatures or future coronavirus case number predictions where the models inherently have to extrapolate well beyond what can actually really be supported based on the available reproducible data. Then you can start to enter into clashes between politicised faith based or dogmatic belief systems especially if major policy decisions hinge upon the models predicting certain things. Pay no attention to that Swedish epidemiologist behind the curtain...

[strichener]

6 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

It's all about testable models/theorems based on reason and reproducible data and over time as the measurements that can be made improve, the explanations provided can be a moving target. The problems start when you have something like future global temperatures or future coronavirus case number predictions where the models inherently have to extrapolate well beyond what can actually really be supported based on the available reproducible data. Then you can start to enter into clashes between politicised faith based or dogmatic belief systems especially if major policy decisions hinge upon the models predicting certain things. Pay no attention to that Swedish epidemiologist behind the curtain...

Or on the case of mask wearing, ignore all the other measures that are in place and are introduced at different times in different ways as it make the studies too difficult. Ignore the lack of co-ordination with different jurisdictions and the lack of easily obtainable information regarding these measures and then present a paper that states mask wearing reduces transmission by X% with 95% confidence.  Absolutely made up science.

Edited July 12, 2021 by strichener

[Wee Bully]

31 minutes ago, Snafu said:

Could say more good news.

This a good step forward in eventually dealing with this and at least we get an idea why this post infection issue occurs.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jul/12/long-covid-rogue-antibody-discovery-raises-hope-of-blood-test

Long Covid: rogue antibody discovery raises hope of blood test

Test could be available from GPs within six months, as scientists warn of ‘a lot of damage to a lot of lives’

Scientists have raised hopes of a blood test for long Covid after discovering distinctive patterns of rogue antibodies in patients whose symptoms persisted for months.

Researchers at Imperial College London identified so-called “autoantibodies” in long Covid patients that were absent in people who recovered quickly from the virus, or who had not tested positive for the disease.

Unlike normal antibodies which help fight off infections, autoantibodies attack healthy tissues by mistake, causing ongoing damage and illness through the equivalent of biological friendly fire.

With the further easing of coronavirus restrictions in England on 19 July, some scientists believe the UK should be braced for hundreds of thousands of cases of long Covid, a condition where patients experience symptoms such as chronic fatigue, breathlessness, muscle pain and headaches.

“It’s hard to escape a prediction that 100,000 new infections a day equates to 10,000 to 20,000 long Covid cases a day, especially in young people. That’s a lot of damage to a lot of lives. And it’s hard to see that we’d have the healthcare provision to deal with it on that scale,” said Danny Altmann, a professor of immunology at Imperial. “All of us working on this could not be more alarmed.”

Prof Altmann’s research on a blood test for long Covid was filmed as a work-in-progress for BBC’s Panorama and is at a very early stage. “I’m fairly optimistic, so I’d hope that within six months we’d have a simple blood test that you could get from your GP,” he told the programme.

Altmann and his colleagues took blood samples from dozens of Covid patients and healthy individuals who have not had the virus. The populations of antibodies in the blood differed markedly between long Covid patients and those who recovered from the virus swiftly or had not tested positive.

While antibodies are a crucial line of defence against infection and prevent coronavirus from invading human cells, the immune system sometimes misfires and produces autoantibodies that attack healthy cells by mistake. In previous work, a team led by Akiko Iwasaki at Yale University found that some Covid patients have rogue antibodies that attack their organs, tissues and the immune system instead of the invading coronavirus.

In December, the Department of Health announced that it was setting up dozens of long Covid clinics in England to provide specialist care for people with ongoing symptoms. According to the Panorama team, four of the clinics only see patients that were hospitalised with Covid, while at others, patients faced waits of up to six months to be seen. Freedom of information requests submitted by MPs have highlighted similar problems.

The Department of Health said: “The government rapidly provided specialist care for acutely ill Covid-19 patients at the start of the pandemic and we’ve matched that speed and scale in our support for people with long Covid.”

BBC Panorama – long Covid: Will I ever get better?” will be broadcast at 7.35pm on Monday on BBC One.

 

A waste of time.  virginton says it doesn’t exist, so why are we researching it?

[Distant Doonhamer]

2,134* new cases of COVID-19 reported

21,326* new tests for COVID-19 that reported results

11.1% of these were positive

0 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive (noting that Register Offices are now generally closed at weekends) 

40 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 (unchanged)

469 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 (up from 444).

3,934,408 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 2,893,271 have received their second dose

* Public Health Scotland are aware of a delay in results from the Glasgow lighthouse laboratory. The laboratory is continuing to issue results as tests are processed whilst investigating and resolving the cause of the delay.

[vikingTON]

24 minutes ago, Wee Bully said:

A waste of time.  virginton says it doesn’t exist, so why are we researching it?

Evidence for this claim please. 

It's very much a good news story though, because once a test can be developed for this bog-standard version of post-viral fatigue, the malingerers and attention-seekers self-reporting their inability to finish a bottle of Peroni as "long Covid" can have their lifelong disability claims filed in the bin where they belong. 

Like Devi and the psycho brigade, their window of relevance is slamming shut. 

[superbigal]

Daily Cases Update:  Decent Day 6 of dropping cases. Down an excellent 3.26% to 355.9  and infectivity down a tick to 10.1   I expect further small decreases in range of 1.5-2.5% over next 2 days.  Although the "Wave" appears over, the positivity last couple of days has been very high again and tested numbers are down. 

The only riser in the top 25 councils is East Renfrewshire.   What appears apparent, but could just be coincidence, is the Level 2 areas are dropping quicker than the Level 1 areas.   

Midlothian our worst affected area is down to 8th place on the UK charts.

Total Cases Scotland 7 days from 3rd July to 9th July  were  20,101 to 19,445 down 3.26%.  Positivity was 10.2%  now 10.1%.   Cases per 100k were  367.9 now 355.9

Home Nations Daily update  :  UK Average   286.3 to 298.1 up 4.40%, England 286.6 to 301.5 up 5.20%,  Wales 135.7 to 139.3 up 2.65%, Northern Ireland  157.0 to 165.1 up 5.16%

No updates from mainland Europe which is disappointing.

Latest European figures today.   Scotland 355.9, England 301.5, Northern Ireland 165.1, Wales 139.3, Portugal 109.3 to 118.0,  Russia 97.8 to 100.0,   Spain 76.3 to 92.9, at other end we have Poland 1.9 to 1.8, Germany 5.1 to 5.0, Italy 7.4 to 7.5, Czech 9.0 to 8.5, Switzerland 8.4 to 9.0, Sweden 14.2 to 16.0 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1139048/coronavirus-case-rates-in-the-past-7-days-in-europe-by-country/

Scotland peaksin Wave 3 at 425.1 for 27th June to 3rd July, (UK was 229.9) . Cases that day were 23,222 and positivity 10.8%

Scotland previously peaked in wave 2 at 301.9 for figures 29th Dec to 4th Jan, (UK was 642.1)    Cases that day were 16,496 and test positivity rate was 11.9%  

Council progress in last 24 Hours as follows.

Click cases by neighbourhood to see the spread on the geographical map. 
https://public.tableau.com/profile/phs.covid.19#!/vizhome/COVID-19DailyDashboard_15960160643010/Overview

 LEVEL 2 RED

Midlothian  709.5 to 668.4  Another drop a little larger at 5.79%

Dundee City 702.5 to 638.2   6th day of dropping, this time an excellent 9.15%

East Lothian   513.6 to 500.5  LEVEL 1 

Inverclyde   494.9 to 484.6  LEVEL 1 

City Of Edinburgh 492.4 to 474.9  6th day in a row down.

Angus  469.9 to 465.6 LEVEL 1

East Renfrewshire   428.1 to 435.5  An unwelcome rise 

Glasgow City  433.7 to 426.1

West Dunbartonshire   411.6 to 409.3  LEVEL 1 

Fife  397.0 to 384.7  LEVEL 1

Perth & Kinross   406.1 to 378.4  LEVEL 1  Continues large drops, today 6.82%

Aberdeen City  383.1 to 373.0 LEVEL1

West Lothian  379.6 to 373.0   LEVEL1  

Renfrewshire   398.7 to 368.0  Excellent down 7.70%

East Dunbartonshire    390.3 to 367.3 

North Lanarkshire  367.3 to 366.2  

Falkirk   356.1 to 347.4  LEVEL 1 

North Ayrshire  273.1 to 266.4

South Lanarkshire   275.2 to 266.1

Scottish  Borders  274.3 to 255.4 LEVEL 1

East Ayrshire  263.9 to 243.4 

Stirling   241.0 to 239.9

Highlands   240.0 to 228.6 LEVEL 1

South Ayrshire  236.2 to 215.8  

Aberdeenshire   211.3 to 206.7  LEVEL 1

Clackmannanshire  207.6 to 192.1

OFFICIAL  LEVEL 1 BLACK

Argyll & Bute  173.5 to 173.5

Orkney Islands   112.3 to 125.7

Dumfries & Galloway  107.5 to 116.2 

Moray  91.8 to 99.1

OFFICIAL LEVEL 0  Teuchters in Green

 Shetland Islands  52.4 to 56.7

Western Isles   44.9 to 41.2

Edited July 12, 2021 by superbigal

[RiG]

Punted out of the pub last night at 22:30 just as they started on the penalty shoot out  

[gav-ffc]

22 minutes ago, RiG said:

Punted out of the pub last night at 22:30 just as they started on the penalty shoot out  

Didn’t Jason speak to “the guys”

[Guest]

Spoiler

 

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/euro-2020-extra-time-rules-24419729

 

 

[sparky88]

1 hour ago, Wee Bully said:

A waste of time.  virginton says it doesn’t exist, so why are we researching it?

Can't speak for him, but Long Covid does exist. It isn't as prevalent as people are claiming though. A bit like when someone says 'Im really OCD' when they clean their bathroom twice a week. 

[Left Back]

Javid currently addressing the HoC basically saying lets get on with it lads.

[Elixir]

I think most of us have been far too busy sipping on English tears today, but more pushback like this against the bedwetters is most welcome: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-57785073

[Big Fifer]

 

21 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

Yep.

He's sticking with removing the law on forcing masks to be worn.

He's also adding some other nonsense about being "irresponsible" if you don't wear one but that's just to appease the Lovejoys so I couldn't care less about that.

The law is being removed and that's a good thing.

It beggars belief it took this long for them to realise that if we're on our 3rd wave with more than 90% compliance with wearing them indoors, then they obviously don't fucking work.

BUT. They are toast now so I'm focussing on the positive.

Just need Sturgeon to follow suit.

Having emailed my MSP (who's on the Covid select committee)  last week re: facemasks, he was unable to provide me with a single piece of evidence that is being used to make a decision on the continued use/effectiveness on facemasks (as I suspected). So you can guarantee they'll be enshrined into law in Scotland for the foreseeable. 

[Lyle Lanley]

23 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

Yep.

He's sticking with removing the law on forcing masks to be worn.

He's also adding some other nonsense about being "irresponsible" if you don't wear one but that's just to appease the Lovejoys so I couldn't care less about that.

The law is being removed and that's a good thing.

It beggars belief it took this long for them to realise that if we're on our 3rd wave with more than 90% compliance with wearing them indoors, then they obviously don't fucking work.

BUT. They are toast now so I'm focussing on the positive.

Just need Sturgeon to follow suit.

Tomorrow's update will confirm if the 9th of August will happen. 

[anotherchance]

25 minutes ago, Elixir said:

I think most of us have been far too busy sipping on English tears today, but more pushback like this against the bedwetters is most welcome: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-57785073

Drakeford is very possibly King of the Lovejoys, so expect this advice to be glossed over and discarded.

Good to have Prof Watkins on the good guy list though.

[The Master]

That’s me got my second appointment. 

I become immortal on 10th August. 

[Detournement]

The government are going to rely on transport companies and retailers to enforce mask wearing for now.

The stuff about 'encouraging' vaccine passports probably means no vaccine passport requirement equals no operating license from the council for at least nightclub, gigs and strippers just now and probably pubs getting forced into it in the winter. 

[Lyle Lanley]

 

No shouting, singing or any celebrations as it may increase the transmission of Covid.

Oh f**k off. 

[Billy Jean King]

Tomorrow's update will confirm if the 9th of August will happen. 

The SG update tomorrow will be confirmation of 19th move to L0, 9 August move will be confirmed the week before then.