Todd_is_God Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Just now, gav-ffc said: What time is todays doom day message about a cold? It's tomorrow. There really should be an onus placed on the SG now to provide hard data to support their view that, not only are these restrictions necessary, they are quite prepared to extend them given that they believe the peak will occur after they are due to be lifted. We're now well into Omicron being here. How many people has it brought into hospital acutely ill from it? And, by extension, What numbers can the NHS deal with before being "overwhelmed"? How many people have died where it was the primary cause? You keep saying you need more data to determine if it is, as suggested, milder. What data do you need, and when do you expect to have it? These, to me, are the questions I would expect opposition parties to ask. I don't feel they undermine the public health message or play down what has happened over the last 21 months, but it's absolutely vital IMO that a government happy to be putting restrictions on people's lives at the drop of a hat should be prepared to answer these questions. "We don't know so will need to wait another couple of weeks" really shouldn't be acceptable anymore, regardless of what countries elsewhere are doing. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Still waiting on Michelle O'Neill's 30,000 cases per day...Sinn Fein have always been conservative (with a small c) - not surprised they've continually backed restrictions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Just now, welshbairn said: Covid isn't a rhinovirus. There are lots of factors, some not yet understood, but it's silly to think that mitigations against covid have had no effect in minimising flu infections... You are not seeing the wood for the trees on the first part because the point being made was that viruses are known to actively compete with each other on infection. At no point have I claimed the latter part and all I initially responded to was the notion of "no flu for 2 years". I actually specifically mentioned the possibility of restrictions being a potential factor along with being outcompeted by COVID's much higher R0 only two posts back. You are not responding to what I am actually writing so there is little point in pursuing this any further. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 34 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Or it could be that mitigations have been more effective against flu than covid, aided by our higher immunity. Covid doesn't stop people getting the flu. https://www.healthline.com/health-news/why-the-flu-season-basically-disappeared-this-year Viral interference, however... 11 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Covid isn't a rhinovirus. There are lots of factors, some not yet understood, but it's silly to think that mitigations against covid have had no effect in minimising flu infections. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03519-3 Yeah, there's no way influenza could have spread somewhere like England over the past six months, or across red state America! Social distancing will drive down the circulation of influenza, but let's not kid on that it's on a two-year vacation for such extreme measures that no longer exist. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Was in the Bookclub last night and they were table service which was fine actually. I wouldn't half mind that when it's good service like it was in there. -4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 32 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: It really won't. The demographic I referred to think the world of her for caring so much more and saving lives. This does not counter the point above. People now have it ingrained that it is people going to football matches, going to concerts, and standing up in pubs that are the problem. These people are "selfish," "Rangers fans," "Tories" or "bitter Unionists." People that don't do those things will happily pack shops and sit at their pre-booked table in a bar or restaurant (wear their mask as soon as they leave their seat) fully believing that they are different and being safe, responsible, and "saving the NHS." They view these things as such because NS, JL etc have told them that this is the case. I’ve been seeing people using the argument “it’s only a football game” for a while now As if they’re purposely missing the point because they know when it comes down to it, they don’t really have an argument Easier to dismiss than discuss 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Just now, DeeTillEhDeh said: 4 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: Still waiting on Michelle O'Neill's 30,000 cases per day... Sinn Fein have always been conservative (with a small c) - not surprised they've continually backed restrictions. Really? They've come out of their shell re gay marriage and abortion. Probably saw the way the wind was blowing and jumped on the bandwagon reacted according to the electorate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 The Guardian class are raging about covid being reduced to a glorified cold! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 The shinners, SNP, Welsh Labour etc aren’t “small c conservative”. They’re liberals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 It's tomorrow. There really should be an onus placed on the SG now to provide hard data to support their view that, not only are these restrictions necessary, they are quite prepared to extend them given that they believe the peak will occur after they are due to be lifted. We're now well into Omicron being here. How many people has it brought into hospital acutely ill from it? And, by extension, What numbers can the NHS deal with before being "overwhelmed"? How many people have died where it was the primary cause? You keep saying you need more data to determine if it is, as suggested, milder. What data do you need, and when do you expect to have it? These, to me, are the questions I would expect opposition parties to ask. I don't feel they undermine the public health message or play down what has happened over the last 21 months, but it's absolutely vital IMO that a government happy to be putting restrictions on people's lives at the drop of a hat should be prepared to answer these questions. "We don't know so will need to wait another couple of weeks" really shouldn't be acceptable anymore, regardless of what countries elsewhere are doing.The real issue for me isn't just restrictions but the nature of the restrictions they have gone for. It's headline grabbing shite of the worst kind. If they genuinely felt restrictions were required, if the virus is so infectious, then the first target should be schools.But as we've seen over the past 20 months they just aren't prepared to tackle the elephant in the room.Instead we have the pantomime of restrictions aimed squarely at hospitality and the leisure sector - that are either ineffective or completely unworkable. And that's before we get to the whole issue of civil liberties. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the snudge Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 12 minutes ago, Day of the Lords said: Oooft. Evidence does not support more England curbs Is that the same evidence that the Scot Gov use? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Really? They've come out of their shell re gay marriage and abortion. Probably saw the way the wind was blowing and jumped on the bandwagon reacted according to the electorate.No different from other political parties then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the snudge Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 11 minutes ago, Clown Job said: Remember when they banned music in pubs so people wouldn’t sing along and potential spread the virus Locking the swing parks was a belter 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Clown Job said: I’ve been seeing people using the argument “it’s only a football game” for a while now As if they’re purposely missing the point because they know when it comes down to it, they don’t really have an argument Easier to dismiss than discuss Exactly. "It's only [thing I don't care about]. We don't need that" Is the worst argument out there, and completely avoids the real discussion about what is proportionate and / or effective. Parrots can't answer that, though, as they've not been fed the answer. "Another Unionist troll blocked. LOL" is the go to reply. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: The real issue for me isn't just restrictions but the nature of the restrictions they have gone for. It's headline grabbing shite of the worst kind. If they genuinely felt restrictions were required, if the virus is so infectious, then the first target should be schools. But as we've seen over the past 20 months they just aren't prepared to tackle the elephant in the room. Instead we have the pantomime of restrictions aimed squarely at hospitality and the leisure sector - that are either ineffective or completely unworkable. And that's before we get to the whole issue of civil liberties. You also need to consider their repeated claims of "schools are safe" here. I don't think they have ever acknowledged they have gotten anything wrong. They aren't going to start here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Seen an SNP fan girl on twitter this morning saying that Nicola has been proved right because the Scottish death toll is in low 5 figures whereas the English death toll is over 100,000. Absolutely no acknowledgement at all of the fact that England is a much bigger country. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 You also need to consider their repeated claims of "schools are safe" here. I don't think they have ever acknowledged they have gotten anything wrong. They aren't going to start here.Schools were never safe - it was a judgement if the risk of having them open was worth it or not.With more infectious variants then clearly the case for keeping them open should have been harder to make - instead they've done anything but. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 15 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Was in the Bookclub last night and they were table service which was fine actually. I wouldn't half mind that when it's good service like it was in there. Some pubs must make a killing out of table service. I've been in a few where a barmaid is over as soon as you've took your last sip. It also seems to take to longer to break the seal when constantly seated so that's a bonus. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, Donathan said: Seen an SNP fan girl on twitter this morning saying that Nicola has been proved right because the Scottish death toll is in low 5 figures whereas the English death toll is over 100,000. Absolutely no acknowledgement at all of the fact that England is a much bigger country. Surely no-one is this thick. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Orton Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 15 minutes ago, the snudge said: Is that the same evidence that the Scot Gov use? They will have access but will ignore it as it doesn't suit their agenda. We just don't know. In a few weeks time they will have the audacity to claim the numbers were low due to their shite restrictions. Laughable. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.