Guest Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Mr Shapps told Today it was "too soon" for people to be booking breaks abroad. "First of all, I should say, people shouldn't be booking holidays right now - not domestically or internationally," he said. Can someone explain why it's any concern whatsoever of the Governments whether or not people CHOOSE to book a holiday, whether that be domestic or foreign ??? Are they trying to put hospitality and aviation completely out of business ?? or do they just want the complete nanny state / dictatorship ??? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Just now, WATTOO said: Mr Shapps told Today it was "too soon" for people to be booking breaks abroad. "First of all, I should say, people shouldn't be booking holidays right now - not domestically or internationally," he said. Can someone explain why it's any concern whatsoever of the Governments whether or not people CHOOSE to book a holiday, whether that be domestic or foreign ??? Are they trying to put hospitality and aviation completely out of business ?? or do they just want the complete nanny state / dictatorship ??? I wouldn't worry. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latapythelegend Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, WATTOO said: Mr Shapps told Today it was "too soon" for people to be booking breaks abroad. "First of all, I should say, people shouldn't be booking holidays right now - not domestically or internationally," he said. Can someone explain why it's any concern whatsoever of the Governments whether or not people CHOOSE to book a holiday, whether that be domestic or foreign ??? Are they trying to put hospitality and aviation completely out of business ?? or do they just want the complete nanny state / dictatorship ??? Because in 4/5 months time the same idiots who booked holidays are going to start crying when they are forced to claim for refunds. The airlines/holiday companies are then naturally going to blame the government for the false promise of allowing international travel. They are simply covering themselves. Common sense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tynierose said: I'm more worried about you having 12 tabs open. 4 of them are things I should really bookmark but I'm lazy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Chile rocketing up the board. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 hour ago, 101 said: I agree, I think they have learnt the lesson from over promising at Christmas. They are dialing down the excitement but they will know once there is no pressure on the NHS the restrictions will cease to be. "ex restrictions" as it were 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 30 minutes ago, 101 said: Surely it's just the dominant most resistant strains that are left? Shouldn't be a problem unless the mutant in such a way that the vaccine is no longer effective, saying the virus is pressured makes it should like it chooses it's mutations but unless I'm mistaken it's just luck and the best mutations spread the fastest, but if the host isn't transmitting the virus as they are vaccinated then it's not something we have to worry about. Hard to make a direct comparison to seasonal flu as the covid vaccine is twice as good as the usual flu vaccine. Don't get me wrong, I obviously hope we can reduce this virus through vaccination to being even less of a background threat than seasonal influenza. Or eventually, once populations have been exposed and recovered, it simply becomes another common cold strain. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 12 minutes ago, latapythelegend said: Because in 4/5 months time the same idiots who booked holidays are going to start crying when they are forced to claim for refunds. The airlines/holiday companies are then naturally going to blame the government for the false promise of allowing international travel. They are simply covering themselves. Common sense. No, if that was the case then they'd simply ban aviation and hospitality from taking bookings, surely that would be simpler and would then stop in the tracks anyone booking anything ?? Anyway, I've got loads booked for this coming year and indeed next as would anyone with half a brain who sees a good deal on a "free cancellation", "pay on arrival" basis. Totally no risk involved and very little hassle. The bottom line is that it's not the place of government to tell general public what they should and shouldn't do while allowing business to operate as normal, mixed messages as usual along the lines of "don't go abroad on holiday" yet not actually stopping anyone and still accepting flights daily ?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 9 minutes ago, Elixir said: Don't get me wrong, I obviously hope we can reduce this virus through vaccination to being even less of a background threat than seasonal influenza. Or eventually, once populations have been exposed and recovered, it simply becomes another common cold strain. That would certainly be the best outcome, it would piss on the fires of hysteria. Place your bets on how long it will take for the express or mail to run the front page "Mutant Flu" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, WATTOO said: No, if that was the case then they'd simply ban aviation and hospitality from taking bookings, surely that would be simpler and would then stop in the tracks anyone booking anything ?? Anyway, I've got loads booked for this coming year and indeed next as would anyone with half a brain who sees a good deal on a "free cancellation", "pay on arrival" basis. Totally no risk involved and very little hassle. The bottom line is that it's not the place of government to tell general public what they should and shouldn't do while allowing business to operate as normal, mixed messages as usual along the lines of "don't go abroad on holiday" yet not actually stopping anyone and still accepting flights daily ?? That would be the government(s) taking responsibility, which they don't want to do as then they can be held accountable for a decision. No outright ban = no responsibility which in theory leads to no accountability. By producing or endorsing woolly "advice" they can simply say "told you not to do it". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 "haha rent free seethe into my veins" from old lads on here because people are frustrated at their lives being impacted by restrictions is one of the worst bits yet on This Thread. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Left Back said: That would be the government(s) taking responsibility, which they don't want to do as then they can be held accountable for a decision. No outright ban = no responsibility which in theory leads to no accountability. By producing or endorsing woolly "advice" they can simply say "told you not to do it". Yes, this is true. What the idiot should have said was along the lines of, "we can't tell anyone what the situation will be in July or August etc and anyone booking anything should be aware that they may be unable to travel" That is a completely different message to, "you shouldn't be booking holidays either domestically or abroad". My fault though, I should have made allowances for the fact that it was Shapps...... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latapythelegend Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 8 minutes ago, WATTOO said: No, if that was the case then they'd simply ban aviation and hospitality from taking bookings, surely that would be simpler and would then stop in the tracks anyone booking anything ?? Anyway, I've got loads booked for this coming year and indeed next as would anyone with half a brain who sees a good deal on a "free cancellation", "pay on arrival" basis. Totally no risk involved and very little hassle. The bottom line is that it's not the place of government to tell general public what they should and shouldn't do while allowing business to operate as normal, mixed messages as usual along the lines of "don't go abroad on holiday" yet not actually stopping anyone and still accepting flights daily ?? I agree it would be easy to ban them from taking bookings. I don't know for certain but the government may not have the powers to prevent them from taking bookings. The government 100% can tell the general public not to travel if there is good reason for doing so. If they didn't do so then god knows how bad things would be. Its absolutely mind boggling that people are so desperate to get abroad just for a holiday. Getting day to day life back to normal is a much bigger priority for everybody. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 minute ago, latapythelegend said: I agree it would be easy to ban them from taking bookings. I don't know for certain but the government may not have the powers to prevent them from taking bookings. The government 100% can tell the general public not to travel if there is good reason for doing so. If they didn't do so then god knows how bad things would be. Its absolutely mind boggling that people are so desperate to get abroad just for a holiday. Getting day to day life back to normal is a much bigger priority for everybody. If there is no travel for the entirety of 2021 there will be people who haven't seen their kids or parents for 2 years. There was a guy on here saying his old man might not be able to get back for his grandad's funeral. It's not my number 1 priority but it's not "mind boggling" that other people can have different priorities and "priority for everybody" might be different. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, latapythelegend said: I agree it would be easy to ban them from taking bookings. I don't know for certain but the government may not have the powers to prevent them from taking bookings. The government 100% can tell the general public not to travel if there is good reason for doing so. If they didn't do so then god knows how bad things would be. Its absolutely mind boggling that people are so desperate to get abroad just for a holiday. Getting day to day life back to normal is a much bigger priority for everybody. There's the problem though, to many people "getting abroad" is their only treat in life and what they all look forward to. Some might find this strange but others would find it equally strange that some people are only interested in pubs opening, or going to a concert, or a meal out with friends, going to the football etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 When arriving from a red list country surely, rather than any Scottish passenger arriving whatsoever?In Scotland it's any passenger regardless of departure country bar UK and Ireland 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Billy Jean King said: 1 hour ago, The Moonster said: When arriving from a red list country surely, rather than any Scottish passenger arriving whatsoever? In Scotland it's any passenger regardless of departure country bar UK and Ireland Your point is correct but the question was about people arriving in England. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Man#1 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, Marshmallo said: If there is no travel for the entirety of 2021 there will be people who haven't seen their kids or parents for 2 years. There was a guy on here saying his old man might not be able to get back for his grandad's funeral. It's not my number 1 priority but it's not "mind boggling" that other people can have different priorities and "priority for everybody" might be different. Yet another astounding lack of understanding and empathy. All anyone ever mentions is “you just want a holiday” and ignores the far more important issues like you’ve mentioned above. It’s easy for people like me to ignore rules if it comes to it and drive down to see my family, but for those who need to travel internationally they are forced to comply. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latapythelegend Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, Marshmallo said: If there is no travel for the entirety of 2021 there will be people who haven't seen their kids or parents for 2 years. There was a guy on here saying his old man might not be able to get back for his grandad's funeral. It's not my number 1 priority but it's not "mind boggling" that other people can have different priorities and "priority for everybody" might be different. That's why I said holiday. It's hard not to feel sympathetic for those type of situations. However there is no way we should be pandering to the ones who see a fortnight in Benidorm as a necessity. If it means some folk spend a week on a caravan holiday self contained in a country where the majority are vaccinated then it's still a holiday. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Quote Chills, loss of appetite, headache and muscle aches could be a sign of COVID-19 infection, according to new findings. It's genuinely almost a parody at this point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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