Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[realmadrid]

19 minutes ago, Steven W said:

I don't see whats to be gained by instead of doing 65k for the past few days as they have been, only doing 30k and saving the excess for the coming weeks.

 

Is it not better to vaccinate everyone as quick as possible , if they followed your idea that would be 60K people in the last two days who would still be waiting for their first jag and thus be further away from having some level of protection.

[ayrmad]

42 minutes ago, Elixir said:

Fatties really do hate taking responsibility for their own gluttony and lack of willpower.

Yep, on a par with those failing to deal with restrictions. 

[Wee Bully]

Clearly some of the language being used is a wind up. However, why shouldnt people be able to be up front and honest with obese people? They are basically killing themselves through food.

Not one person on this thread has said that being obese is a good thing, nor that obese people shouldn’t be encouraged to lose weight.

Some have however pointed out reasons as to why the issue might exist, and others have just blamed the “fatties”.

Unless you understand the reasons why people behave the way they do - be it eating, drinking, drug taking, or other risky choices - you have very little hope of being able to change those decisions.

Just saying “willpower” is a waste of time. For some people that will work, for others there are more deep seated issues.

[Todd_is_God]

5 minutes ago, realmadrid said:

Is it not better to vaccinate everyone as quick as possible , if they followed your idea that would be 60K people in the last two days who would still be waiting for their first jag and thus be further away from having some level of protection.

Yes. 

Maybe if we'd done more than 16k per day in January those ICU numbers wouldn't be ticking up still...

Edited February 12, 2021 by Todd_is_God

[Wee Bully]

I didn't though. I said if that happened to be them, then so be it.
If it's Labour, the Lib Dems or the SNP then they'd get my vote too.
It's not a difficult concept to grasp tbh.

Anyone who even considers voting Tory is someone concerned purely with themselves, and who will lack any kind of empathy.

And lo and behold, what do we see this morning?

[superbigal]

1 hour ago, topcat(The most tip top) said:

On an unrelated note

Are you "Big Al" or a "Bi Gal"

Not that I'm judging

I am sure if you had checked my Image and Profile you get a clue.

Not so many carpet munchers play a little semi-pro football in the Highland league that I am aware of. 

[ayrmad]

24 minutes ago, doulikefish said:

 

So far we have ...

Bus drivers

Taxi drivers

Irratating studenty rickshaw peddling types

Feel free to add 

Nurses. 

[Billy Jean King]

They might be fluctuating a bit, but that's always going to happen day-to-day. 
Based on Travelling Tabby there were 123 people in ICU last Friday, and 144 the Friday before that. There are currently 115. It might be up from yesterday, but it's still a week-on-week fall. 

Yes numbers in ICU but Leitch was at pains to stress today that ICU new admissions have not yet peaked and continue to rise. That suggests that as well as the now daily announced people in ICU for more than 28 days there must be an awful lot only serious enough to be in ICU a few days otherwise the overall numbers in ICU would not be falling. You rightly point out they are though so not sure why he chose to focus on the admissions part as it simply backs up the new treatments working argument.

[Todd_is_God]

13 minutes ago, Wee Bully said:

Anyone who even considers voting Tory is someone concerned purely with themselves, and who will lack any kind of empathy.

And lo and behold, what do we see this morning?

let's not pretend all those who will religiously vote SNP regardless of anything are doing so because they are empathic AF

Anyway, as someone who used to be really skinny, put weight on, lost it, put it on again, realised enough was enough and started losing it again, I know perfectly well the importance of recognising where the line is, and doing something about it. If people can't see that themselves, then outside pressure needs to be applied, rather than "ach its ok. You look beautiful. Love your body."

If it helps, though, I don't know you. I really don't care about or concern myself with you.

Of course I'll vote for whatever party satisfies my current needs and priorities. That's pretty much how elections work.

Edited February 12, 2021 by Todd_is_God

[Billy Jean King]

I didn't see the briefing.  Are they saying that ICU admissions are trending upwards across the country?  That's clearly rubbish compared to the data published by SG.
ETA thinking about it admissions may be rising but overall numbers in ICU is trending downwards so the published data shows the stats are going in the right direction.

Overall numbers are trending down but he stressed today new admissions to ICU are still rising. Can only mean ICU treatment is now more successful and the majority are only in ICU for a few days despite the now reported over 28 day cases.

[Todd_is_God]

2 minutes ago, superbigal said:

I am sure if you had checked my Image and Profile you get a clue.

Not so many carpet munchers play a little semi-pro football in the Highland league that I am aware of. 

f**k sake

[Billy Jean King]

You sure about that?
I heard them saying that people who have been in ICU for over 28 days has gone up by 2 but didn't hear that ICU cases are going up

Leitch spoke about in quite a bit of depth.

[Billy Jean King]

Walking won't lift covid restdictions, though, in the same way that ordering your third dominos of the week won't make you any less fat.

Devi said walking would lessen depression not lift Covid restrictions. Way more than C19 contributing to clinical depression although you seem to view everything through that restricted lense.

[Wee Bully]

Yes numbers in ICU but Leitch was at pains to stress today that ICU new admissions have not yet peaked and continue to rise. That suggests that as well as the now daily announced people in ICU for more than 28 days there must be an awful lot only serious enough to be in ICU a few days otherwise the overall numbers in ICU would not be falling. You rightly point out they are though so not sure why he chose to focus on the admissions part as it simply backs up the new treatments working argument.

I’m not sure they are continuing to rise, but they are certainly not falling at the same rate as the general hospitalisations. The following is from Travelling Tabby, and the dotted line is the 7 day average. Also, only updated on Wednesdays.

[Todd_is_God]

3 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

29 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

Walking won't lift covid restdictions, though, in the same way that ordering your third dominos of the week won't make you any less fat.

Devi said walking would lessen depression not lift Covid restrictions. Way more than C19 contributing to clinical depression although you seem to view everything through that restricted lense.

Forgive me for attributing a quote from Devi Sridhar about depression in the Covid thread to her talking about depression as a result of Covid.

Silly me.

Edited February 12, 2021 by Todd_is_God

[vikingTON]

48 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

Some folk might not want to make those changes, some folk do want to do something about it but mental issues can stop them from doing so. There's loads of reasons why folk might not get up and do something about it. It's a very long road for a lot of these people because it takes breaking down a habit of a lifetime in most cases. Like telling a junkie just to stop injecting smack into his veins, aye that's the simple and fundamental change that has to happen but realistically they need help to do so, same applies to some who are overweight. 

If you somehow think that doughnuts have the same psychochemical properties as heroin, sure. 

[bairn88]

1 hour ago, craigkillie said:

The one walk a day was never a rule as far as I'm aware.

Ah, thought it was in England during this lockdown. I'm no Scotgov fan, far from it in fact, but their promotion and allowance of outdoor recreation (especially sport for children) has been far far superior to English handling

[Todd_is_God]

2 minutes ago, bairn88 said:

Ah, thought it was in England during this lockdown. I'm no Scotgov fan, far from it in fact, but their promotion and allowance of outdoor recreation (especially sport for children) has been far far superior to English handling

I'm fairly certain being allowed out once for up to one hour of outdoor exercise per day was the limit back in March and April, no?

[bairn88]

Just now, Todd_is_God said:

I'm fairly certain being allowed out once for up to one hour of outdoor exercise per day was the limit back in March and April, no?

Quite possibly but I can't blame them for that. Everyone (including me, a young healthy person) was absolutely terrified of the virus in March/April. More information available now.

[renton]

6 minutes ago, Wee Bully said:

I’m not sure they are continuing to rise, but they are certainly not falling at the same rate as the general hospitalisations. The following is from Travelling Tabby, and the dotted line is the 7 day average. Also, only updated on Wednesdays.

Does ICU take up map well to overall case trends? Imagine that differing treatment regimes have an impact, for example: someone with high risk of morbidity, high viral load, no effective treatment - person dies before ever needing ICU.

Same person, low viral load due to decreased transmission, better treatments, doesn't peg it off the bat, good enough chance of recovery to wheel into ICU.

It'd surely only be out and out bad news if it was increasing use of ICUs for otherwise low risk patients?