Detournement Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: It's quite a stretch to say international sharing of health data equals that. A clear case of you having already decided what the outcome is, and using and extrapolating a tenuous link to confirm this belief. Are you right? I've no idea. But this shows nothing. Cross border sharing of health data isn't necessarily a bad thing either btw - if you end up in hospital in England, they are unable to access your NHS Scotland records, which slows down the treatment process. We'll see. The EU Parliament voted to fast track their ID plan last week and Gove is reporting back on his intentions for a domestic vaccine passport soon and all the indicators are it's going to be implemented. Getting that rolled out is dependent on restrictions still being in place. Edited March 31, 2021 by Detournement 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Forest_Fifer said: You'll of course be able to specify where any of your nonsense was said in that report. Roaster. It obviously doesn't say that but three major world leaders getting together to launch a new initiative suggests something big is happening and it's more likely to be the plan of the WEF (who are the political party of the super rich) rather than the lads on P&B who want to get back to normal. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 As [mention=1852]Rugster[/mention] says I'm relatively certain it's still the law. Just seems odd to me that you can travel over 200 miles away from home and be "local" (extreme example) but in other LAs you can barely travel double digit distances. The sooner this is all over and we can get back to normal the better. Someone (Invergowrie Arab I think) described Dundee as a 10 by 5 mile prison. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 I popped this in to a chart to give a rough idea where we will be at if the average rate of decrease over the last month continues forward. I was slightly surprised to be honest to see hospital and ICU numbers were falling at almost exactly the same rate, as this is never really spoken about due to the absolute numbers being relatively small. As things stand, we will not be able to take part in adult contact sports, legally socialise indoors, or consume alcohol inside a hospitality establishment on the 16th of May, a date which we are on track to have 30 people in hospital, and 3 in ICU. I find that unacceptable, tbh, and a relaxation that must be moved forward regardless of the election. It will be interesting to see what capacity is put on Hampden for the Euros in a week or two (and the justification for it not being a significant number (if not 100%)) after taking into consideration expected vaccination programme progress by the 14th of June, and being on track to have less than 10 people in hospital by kick-off. None of this is intended to contradict the overall point of your post, but my entirely uneducated (but logical, I think) guess is that there will be a natural minimum to the hospitalisation and ICU numbers which is probably greater than zero. There will naturally still be a certain number of people in hospital even after the full vaccine rollout, mainly people who can't or won't get it and/or people who would be in hospital for some other reason if it wasn't for covid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, Marshmallo said: That's simply framing. The option of 2019 standards isn't available. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugster Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 7 minutes ago, Detournement said: It obviously doesn't say that but three major world leaders getting together to launch a new initiative suggests something big is happening and it's more likely to be the plan of the WEF (who are the political party of the super rich) rather than the lads on P&B who want to get back to normal. You must go through some amount of tinfoil. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 1 minute ago, craigkillie said: None of this is intended to contradict the overall point of your post, but my entirely uneducated (but logical, I think) guess is that there will be a natural minimum to the hospitalisation and ICU numbers which is probably greater than zero. There will naturally still be a certain number of people in hospital even after the full vaccine rollout, mainly people who can't or won't get it and/or people who would be in hospital for some other reason if it wasn't for covid. I dare say this is true. However last year the number in hospital dipped as low as 35 (on September 12th) , and the number in ICU as low as low as 1 on August 25th. We know now that the hospital numbers were inflated over the summer and it's likely that 35 in September was not the lowest point. Taking into consideration that we now have vaccines which are highly effective at reducing hospitalisations and even transmission itself, coupled with the natural immunity built up over a further 12 months of infections, I suspect that the baseline hospital and ICU numbers will be closer to 0 than last year over the summer and beyond. It's also worth remembering that restrictions are not required until absolutely no-one is getting ill or dying. Once the vaccine rollout is complete, the small number of people who end up in hospital is not going to be justification for keeping restrictions in place any more so than the number of people in hospital for any other reason is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiGi Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 6 minutes ago, Detournement said: That's simply framing. The option of 2019 standards isn't available. Correct. You could lead that question in a number of ways, such as "Do you think you should require a vaccination passport to get a pint when at least 50% of the population (among these the most vulnerable) have already been vaccinated and the number of hospitalisations and deaths remains negligible?" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Detournement said: That's simply framing. The option of 2019 standards isn't available. I've noticed this a few times in surveys. I got one from Hamilton Park the other day looking for feedback on how likely i would be to be comfortable attending a sporting event based on a number of different levels of restrictions. I ended up not completing it as the answer "I would attend an indoor or outdoor sporting event with no restrictions in place at all" and "restrictions on alcohol sales, mandatory masks and social distancing would put me off because it would be a sanitised experience" were not optional answers and, if you are going to ask someone what needs to be in place to make them return, it should be. It's also not surprising that, yet again, the percentage of people who support them closely matches the percentage of people who, should they be brought in, would actually be able to do something they currently cannot. Edited March 31, 2021 by Todd_is_God 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 3 hours ago, MuckleMoo said: 3 hours ago, Elixir said: Is there actually much risk of mass gatherings at outdoor festivals during the height of summer, when infection rates then are totally negligible anyway? I'm not convinced there is. Main stages probably not, but you've also got the dance tents and other venues that might pose some issues. Also have to think about people camping/sharing tents True, but then this also feeds into why this should be an issue anyway. Respiratory viruses don't thrive in summer. We have never bothered about this before, and now that the vaccine is being rolled out, we shouldn't start. 27 minutes ago, Burnieman said: What can you say...... https://news.sky.com/story/tougher-rules-for-face-masks-and-social-distancing-needed-as-lockdown-lifts-scientists-say-12261423?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter These VL's need their hard drives checked. 5 minutes ago, Marshmallo said: These same opinion polls show the public also supports things like the death penalty. Basically, the average person is thick as f**k. Most of them probably never go to a pub. Policy should never be based on flash opinion polling. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 Awaiting the inevitable LADBIBLE article featuring some guy who has his vaccine passport tattooed on his arm, because he's just full of bantz and loves his local 'spoons. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 14 minutes ago, Rugster said: You must go through some amount of tinfoil. Generally real change happens behind closed doors. No one ever voted for bankers bailouts, mass surveillance, the creation of the Euro, Bretton Woods, ERM etc. When the most powerful people in the world openly tell you they are going to use the crisis to reshape society and the economy believe them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wee Bully Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 Standard of care available outwith ICU?I’m not sure which direction you taking that.The stats are:Scotland - Hosp 237. ICU 21UK - Hosp 4174. ICU 583Based on an 8% population rate, Scotland has 71% of its “fair share” of hospitalisations, and only 45% of ICU. We are either doing really well on ICU cases, or really badly on hospitalisations. They are both better than the rest of the UK, but out of kilter with each other. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 How fucking difficult is it to go the park with your mates, and take away the rubbish that you brought with you ? What a shower of fucking morons. People are complete khunts, honestly. It almost makes me want to see the government introduce full on lockdown again to stop these d1cks from doing this again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Bob Mahelp said: How fucking difficult is it to go the park with your mates, and take away the rubbish that you brought with you ? What a shower of fucking morons. People are complete khunts, honestly. It almost makes me want to see the government introduce full on lockdown again to stop these d1cks from doing this again. Just been watching the same thing. No need. Could have easily put it into all the bags and boxes they brought it in and binned it. thats modern youth though. Sense of entitlement and never been taught right from wrong as it might upset them. -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 2 hours ago, Todd_is_God said: More likely he knows voluntary avoidance of the things he actually enjoys because of safety fears would destroy his illusions and knock him off his "having a good lockdown" high horse. How on earth would you know what I'm like, I do as I please, always have always will, as soon as the things I want to do are open I'll be out. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Have some faith in Magic Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 New South African like variant found in Brazil home of the scary Brazilian variant. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 2 hours ago, The Moonster said: This is it, precisely. He's already admitted he takes joy in the suffering of others. When did I say that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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