Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[anotherchance]

13 minutes ago, Detournement said:

I was just giving the figures because a lot of people seem confused by the misleading 99.5% figure being pushed by the media.

It gives a more realistic position of what to expect this winter. 

So you provided another figure without the relevant context?

[Detournement]

3 minutes ago, anotherchance said:

So you provided another figure without the relevant context?

I provided exact and clear stats. 

This is misleading 

 

 

[scottsdad]

36 minutes ago, Detournement said:

70% of Covid deaths between August 9th and September 5th in England were fully vaccinated. 25% Unvaccinated. 5% partial.

The media have obviously been told to push the 99% of deaths (between 1/1/21 and 2/7/21) were unvaccinated stat though. 

 

The joy of selecting figures to suit a narrative.  

The way to look at it is this.  What percentage of unvaccinated people have died since the vaccine rollout reached a peak (say, since June)? And what percentage of vaccinated people over the same period? And how do these figures compare? 

[scottsdad]

On vaccines, age is still a defining factor. A fully vaccinated 80 year old has the same risk of dying from covid as an unvaccinated 50 year old. 

[welshbairn]

13 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

Oh I'm sorry. Are you now accepting that it's not working properly?

I'm saying it could be clearer but if you wanted to speak to someone you could have.

[Todd_is_God]

40 minutes ago, Detournement said:

It gives a more realistic position of what to expect this winter. 

[Detournement]

13 minutes ago, scottsdad said:

On vaccines, age is still a defining factor. A fully vaccinated 80 year old has the same risk of dying from covid as an unvaccinated 50 year old. 

I don't think that is true. 

Vaccine effiency currently seems to be around 70% so the 80 year old is still in far more danger than the 50 year old. 

[Detournement]

Just now, Todd_is_God said:

If vaccine effiency is at 70% we are definitely going to lockdown at some point this winter. 

You won't believe because it doesn't suit you personally but that scenario overwhelms the NHS and the government said yesterday they are willing to lockdown if need be. 

[Todd_is_God]

1 minute ago, Detournement said:

If vaccine effiency is at 70% we are definitely going to lockdown at some point this winter. 

You won't believe because it doesn't suit you personally but that scenario overwhelms the NHS and the government said yesterday they are willing to lockdown if need be. 

No we won't. Because the vaccines might not be stopping everyone from getting unwell, but they are keeping people out of hospital.

You were wrong about vaccine passports and you are wrong about this.

[scottsdad]

According to the Ons, from January to July 51000 people died of covid. Of these 39000 were unvaccinated. 

Here

[Detournement]

11 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

No we won't. Because the vaccines might not be stopping everyone from getting unwell, but they are keeping people out of hospital.

You were wrong about vaccine passports and you are wrong about this.

We are getting vaccine passports in a few weeks. England will get them as soon as the Tory conference is done and cases tick up. They are everywhere in the EU, Israel, Canada and large parts of the USA. How the f**k was I wrong?

30% of last year's hospitalisations and deaths if we lockdown again to the same extent. What do you think will happen if we stay open?

 

 

[Todd_is_God]

1 minute ago, Detournement said:

We are getting vaccine passports in a few weeks. England will get them as soon as the Tory conference is done and cases tick up. They are everywhere in the EU, Israel, Canada and large parts of the USA. How the f**k was I wrong?

30% of last year's hospitalisations and deaths if we lockdown again to the same extent. What do you think will happen if we stay open?

Ok, mate.

[Detournement]

29 minutes ago, scottsdad said:

According to the Ons, from January to July 51000 people died of covid. Of these 39000 were unvaccinated. 

Here

Yes because no one in the entire country was fully vaccinated in January and almost no one in February when the vast majority of the deaths occurred. 

The relevant data is the current delta wave and the figure is 69% vaccinated. 

Edited September 15, 2021 by Detournement

[Detournement]

Just now, Todd_is_God said:

Ok, mate.

They announced yesterday they will implement it at one week's notice under certain circumstances and the BBC were begging for it today. It's highly likely to happen.

 

 

[Todd_is_God]

Case numbers crumbling despite us now entering the time of year you'd expect respiratory virus numbers to start climbing. No wonder the likes of @Detournement are pushing their conspiracy theory BS down the road.

Desperate stuff.

[Guest]

Excellent figures in Andalucia (and indeed the whole of Spain) which makes the need for UK return testing just so utterly bonkers, not to mention this "amber list" utter crap.

http://www.surinenglish.com/national/202109/14/andalucia-covid-incidence-rate-20210914133338.html#ns_campaign=mod-lo-mas&ns_mchannel=visto-w&ns_source=noticia&ns_linkname=noticia&ns_fee=col-C

 

[philpy]

5 hours ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

They've done well to beat you out the door.

I'll beat you ya c**t.

[Elixir]

Bon voyage, lads. 

 

[Rugster]

1 hour ago, Detournement said:

I don't think that is true. 

Vaccine effiency currently seems to be around 70% so the 80 year old is still in far more danger than the 50 year old. 

 

1 hour ago, Detournement said:

If vaccine effiency is at 70% we are definitely going to lockdown at some point this winter. 

You won't believe because it doesn't suit you personally but that scenario overwhelms the NHS and the government said yesterday they are willing to lockdown if need be. 

What the f**k is effiency you moon howler?

[Suspect Device]

39 minutes ago, Rugster said:

 

What the f**k is effiency you moon howler?

 

I assumed efficacy typo or just mistake.