George Floyd/Black Lives Matter Protests

[effeffsee_the2nd]

You still hear far too many (I think so) people in Scotland who will scramble for any reason to criticize BLM or just black people in general , " it's a pabndemic, they're breaking the law, they don't care about black lives when they kill each other, they call each other the N word ,  black comedians take the piss out of white people so why is it racist if blah blah greet greet. 

if this is you, you need to ask yourself why you think like that?

Also why do you apply the same process for criticizing all of the following things ; electric cars, renewable energy, greta Thunberg , Nicola sturgeon , the EU ,  welfare state, foreigners etc. in other words what makes people become gamons?  

[WhiteRoseKillie]

4 hours ago, virginton said:

More top notch stuff from the chump who held up a no-mark Esperantist blogger as the voice of authority on nationalism.

I'd have been more impressed if you'd defended your choice of reference rather than attacked another's preference. Why should I read this Snyder chap on top of all the other information I've already got swimming around in the space between my ears?

[WhiteRoseKillie]

37 minutes ago, effeffsee_the2nd said:

You still hear far too many (I think so) people in Scotland who will scramble for any reason to criticize BLM or just black people in general , " it's a pabndemic, they're breaking the law, they don't care about black lives when they kill each other, they call each other the N word ,  black comedians take the piss out of white people so why is it racist if blah blah greet greet. 

if this is you, you need to ask yourself why you think like that?

Also why do you apply the same process for criticizing all of the following things ; electric cars, renewable energy, greta Thunberg , Nicola sturgeon , the EU ,  welfare state, foreigners etc. in other words what makes people become gamons?  

The world has always been full of cúnts - the problem is that a general rightward drift in Press, Media and Government over the last few years has allowed them the confidence to come out from under their stones and made them believe that there's nothing wrong with their bigoted worldview.

[vikingTON]

16 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:

I'd have been more impressed if you'd defended your choice of reference rather than attacked another's preference. Why should I read this Snyder chap on top of all the other information I've already got swimming around in the space between my ears?

I'm not looking to impress you champ. There's quite clearly zero relevant information swimming between your ears, given that your contention proved to be massively wrong on several levels. This isn't a topic where you get to pitch your latest hot take and have it treated as equal to serious academics who have actually spent years looking at the relevant documents and publishing their conclusions in a peer-reviewed setting. Either educate yourself or pipe down with your nonsense. 

Edited June 30, 2020 by vikingTON

[WhiteRoseKillie]

42 minutes ago, virginton said:

I'm not looking to impress you champ. There's quite clearly zero relevant information swimming between your ears, given that your contention proved to be massively wrong on several levels. This isn't a topic where you get to pitch your latest hot take and have it treated as equal to serious academics who have actually spent years looking at the relevant documents and publishing their conclusions in a peer-reviewed setting. Either educate yourself or pipe down with your nonsense. 

...and yet we must bow before the intellectual might of the Sage of Inverclyde? Fúck off, champ.

[Gordon EF]

1 hour ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:

The world has always been full of cúnts - the problem is that a general rightward drift in Press, Media and Government over the last few years has allowed them the confidence to come out from under their stones and made them believe that there's nothing wrong with their bigoted worldview.

Just my viewpoint but I'd disagree with that. Folk on the left tend to think the media is right-leaning, folk on the right tend to think it's left-leaning.

Aside from a few exceptions, I think society and the media have probably moved a bit to the left, on social issues anyway, and that's probably contributed the increased noise from the gammon constituency of the population. Particularly the middle aged ones, they're from a time when as long as you weren't an outright bigot, holding gammony points of view was considered the norm. The world's shifted and they haven't so there's always going to be increased friction there.

[effeffsee_the2nd]

46 minutes ago, Gordon EF said:

Just my viewpoint but I'd disagree with that. Folk on the left tend to think the media is right-leaning, folk on the right tend to think it's left-leaning.

Aside from a few exceptions, I think society and the media have probably moved a bit to the left, on social issues anyway, and that's probably contributed the increased noise from the gammon constituency of the population. Particularly the middle aged ones, they're from a time when as long as you weren't an outright bigot, holding gammony points of view was considered the norm. The world's shifted and they haven't so there's always going to be increased friction there.

I never though of it in those terms, I think the uk is much more right leaning in terms of money and the economy but the opposite  when it comes to social issues like sex, drug use, womans rights and rolls and lgbt acceptance,  20 years ago, which was the big brave new millennium remember,  there was still a sizable number of people thought that all druggies should be shot on site , certain jobs were not appropriate for ladies and children should be protected from gays,  older ( now deceased) relatives of mine would often comment on many things that nobody bats an eyelid at now as " not right or proper" . homophobia in Scotland is  mere shadow of the clause 28 campaign of 2000 .  But despite all this racism and dislike of foreigners , especially ones which we think might be getting something past us, still stands strong

Edited June 30, 2020 by effeffsee_the2nd

[Gordon EF]

5 minutes ago, effeffsee_the2nd said:

I never though of it in those terms, I think the uk is much more right leaning in terms of money and the economy but the opposite  when it comes to social issues like sex, drug use, womans rights and rolls and lgbt acceptance,  20 years ago, which was the big brave new millennium remember,  there was still a sizable number of people thought that all druggies should be shot on site , certain jobs were not appropriate for ladies and children should be protected from gays,  older ( now deceased) relatives of mine would often comment on many things that nobody bats an eyelid at now as " not right or proper" . homophobia in Scotland is  mere shadow of the clause 28 campaign of 2000 .  But despite all this racism and dislike of foreigners , especially ones which we think might be getting something past us, still stands strong

Absolutely. Particularly with homophobia and LGBTQ issues, I think society's changed pretty drastically over the past 20/25 years. Casual racism and homophobia was far more acceptable in the 90s than it is now. And that absolutely shouldn't be used as an excuse not to continue that progress.

[effeffsee_the2nd]

8 minutes ago, Gordon EF said:

Absolutely. Particularly with homophobia and LGBTQ issues, I think society's changed pretty drastically over the past 20/25 years. Casual racism and homophobia was far more acceptable in the 90s than it is now. And that absolutely shouldn't be used as an excuse not to continue that progress.

Exactly, I rember it being perfectly acceptable to use terms such as ch.… / pa../ da.. poof tranny dyke .  at the football "poof" was often hurled at a player suspected of diving.

I never understood the need to get rattled upon learning that you can't use those words anymore.  I believe those who do are pretty unhappy or insecure in there own selves but were clinging onto the derogatory treatment of minorities to sooth themselves  ie I may be xy&z but at least i'm not a ….

[Mr Waldo]

6 minutes ago, Gerald Elbowdent said:

 

Calls what?

 

The right-wing gammon bingo?

No, he is looking for an 'inclusive and politically-neutral anti-racism movement'.

Matt Le Tissier is now 'reviewing wearing a BLM badge'.   Looks like BLM wanting to close prisons, abolish the police and scrap capitalism is losing them support.

[Bairnardo]

No, he is looking for an 'inclusive and politically-neutral anti-racism movement'.
Matt Le Tissier is now 'reviewing wearing a BLM badge'.   Looks like BLM wanting to close prisons, abolish the police and scrap capitalism is losing them support.

Wait? Matt Le Tiss is reviewing it?

Well f**k me I didnt realise the true intellectual heavyweights were starting to cast doubt. This changes everything

[pandarilla]

Absolutely. Particularly with homophobia and LGBTQ issues, I think society's changed pretty drastically over the past 20/25 years. Casual racism and homophobia was far more acceptable in the 90s than it is now. And that absolutely shouldn't be used as an excuse not to continue that progress.

I've felt that those on the centre - right have taken advantage of this.

They've pushed the social agenda of the left big time, and by in large that's a good thing. But it also gives them cover for not addressing, or even discussing, the economic situation.

It's like they've given us this so let's just ask accept the neoliberal system that's dominated since the early 80s. The idea that profit drives everything, and entrepreneurs and private enterprise can solve all of society's ills.

Too many young folk on the left have spent all their energy fighting the social causes, rather than genuinely questioning where the power and wealth is in our society.

[Gordon EF]

7 minutes ago, pandarilla said:

I've felt that those on the centre - right have taken advantage of this.

They've pushed the social agenda of the left big time, and by in large that's a good thing. But it also gives them cover for not addressing, or even discussing, the economic situation.

It's like they've given us this so let's just ask accept the neoliberal system that's dominated since the early 80s. The idea that profit drives everything, and entrepreneurs and private enterprise can solve all of society's ills.

Too many young folk on the left have spent all their energy fighting the social causes, rather than genuinely questioning where the power and wealth is in our society.

Yep. That's a major bug-bear of mine. It's a given that equality and social justice should always be important to the left but it does feel like so much energy is given to that at the expense of the traditional economic equality side of things.

The race issue is a good example of that. Of course racism is a factor in racial inequality but the main practical reason minorities see worse outcomes than white people generally, across society is that in the UK and US, minorities have disproportionately higher levels of poverty. Closing the gap between rich and poor generally would significantly disproportionately benefit ethnic minorities. 

[vikingTON]

3 hours ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:

...and yet we must bow before the intellectual might of the Sage of Inverclyde? Fúck off, champ.

If you don't want to continue making a fool of yourself, sure. Or you could just do what I actually suggested and start reading about why your hot take about how the world paid back Jews for the Holocaust so they should stop playing 'the victim card' is in fact one of the most risible pieces of nonsense to have ever been written on this forum. It's your call but your continued, foot-stomping reluctance to do the latter on such a serious topic marks you out as a thoroughly nasty piece of work in my book.

Edited June 30, 2020 by vikingTON

[hearthammer]

And so it begins :

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8475351/Pub-named-slave-trader-Edward-Colston-renamed-Ye-Olde-Pubby-Mcdrunkface.html

[The Moonster]

5 minutes ago, hearthammer said:

And so it begins :

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8475351/Pub-named-slave-trader-Edward-Colston-renamed-Ye-Olde-Pubby-Mcdrunkface.html

Pubby McDrunkface. The English just have the worst fucking patter in the universe. Toe curling, stomach churningly bad.

[Bairnardo]

Pubby McDrunkface. The English just have the worst fucking patter in the universe. Toe curling, stomach churningly bad.

Yeah. Thats up there with people who still say "simples"

[WhiteRoseKillie]

If you don't want to continue making a fool of yourself, sure. Or you could just do what I actually suggested and start reading about why your hot take about how the world paid back Jews for the Holocaust so they should stop playing 'the victim card' is in fact one of the most risible pieces of nonsense to have ever been written on this forum. It's your call but your continued, foot-stomping reluctance to do the latter on such a serious topic marks you out as a thoroughly nasty piece of work in my book.

So your book - was it written by this Snyder chap?

[Mr Waldo]

4 hours ago, Bairnardo said:

Wait? Matt Le Tiss is reviewing it?

Well f**k me I didnt realise the true intellectual heavyweights were starting to cast doubt. This changes everything

I was just pointing out a Sky football pundit is questioning the blanket 'show support' for BLM a few hours after an ex footballer done the same. I remember the outcry when a footballer opted out of the blanket 'wear a poppy'.

4 hours ago, Gerald Elbowdent said:

 

No, he's a Tory right-wing gammon propagating made up nonsense to try smear the movement.

 

Much like yourself, evidently.

I wouldn't call quoting BLM  'smearing'.  Although  BLM changed their page yesterday after the Labour leader was on TV about 'defunding the police'

[Cosmic Joe]

34 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:

3 hours ago, virginton said:

If you don't want to continue making a fool of yourself, sure. Or you could just do what I actually suggested and start reading about why your hot take about how the world paid back Jews for the Holocaust so they should stop playing 'the victim card' is in fact one of the most risible pieces of nonsense to have ever been written on this forum. It's your call but your continued, foot-stomping reluctance to do the latter on such a serious topic marks you out as a thoroughly nasty piece of work in my book.

So your book - was it written by this Snyder chap?

Perhaps if he changed his tone, posters might be encouraged to engage in a discussion with him. I doubt very much that will happen. He is probably a sad individual. I feel sorry for him as he clearly has very little going on in his life other than attempting to noise up fellow football fans on a forum. 

I admire your fortitude WRK, but he is almost certainly best ignored.