welshbairn Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Sinner-to-Saint said: Charming! I genuinely don't see what has elicited such venom. The shootings were an act of self-defence. That's all I have said... Who would have thought walking into a protest like this would provoke a reaction? That boy who threw a plastic bag at him had it coming. Edited August 31, 2020 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Trump getting called out for his love of Alt -Right terrorists 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 8 minutes ago, Snafu said: Trump has already threatened to send the army at Portland if the authorities continue to fail to control the situation there. Country is on the brink of civil war. Im not talking about the army, im also pretty sure he can’t do that either under some act who’s name i cant remember. Its enshrined in the US constitution that their armed forces cannot be turned on their civilian populous im sure? The threshold for that changing isnt even anywhere close to being met. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Im not talking about the army, im also pretty sure he can’t do that either under some act who’s name i cant remember. Its enshrined in the US constitution that their armed forces cannot be turned on their civilian populous im sure? The threshold for that changing isnt even anywhere close to being met. Why would he care if it's against the law? He breaks laws all the time. No-one holds him to account. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Agree with you, these militias are scary individuals with absolutely mental beliefs. If there were concerns about failure to guard/protect property then the issue falls squarely to the authorities who failed to mobilise enough resources to properly manage the incident, its not for walter mitty’s to come out and play rainbow 6. I can’t see where lethal force in this madness was justified. I dont mean this at you specifically, but as you said it... Something that absolutely needs to happen is folk need to stop using the word militia when referring to moronic wee freaks who have an obsession with guns. I dont know how much credence being in a "militia" really carries, but it's more than being a VL who has played too much Call of Duty. Call this wee p***k for what he is. A criminal who has precisely zero excuse for his actions, which were under any sensible assessment, murder. If you go towards a heated situation in which you have absolutely no reason for being there, whilst carrying an automatic weapon which you then use to kill people, you are a murderer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sinner-to-Saint said: Charming! I genuinely don't see what has elicited such venom. The shootings were an act of self-defence. That's all I have said... I usually treat (some of) the witchunts on here with a bit of scepticism, and "he's not completely wrong here", but in this case I think you're way off beam. And by no stretch of the imagination is it "self defence". Driving 30 miles, picking up a gun along the way to ensure he didn't take one across state lines, and then confronting protestors while fully armed strikes me as premeditation and doesn't fall under self defence, imho. And how he was able to walk through police lines with his gun beggars belief. As I stated earlier, if he had been black and approached the police he would be dead now. Edited August 31, 2020 by Jacksgranda got rid of a "doesn't" as it completely undermined my point and then sllepnig 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 It's worth bearing in mind that this is mainly going on in American towns that we've barely heard of, and most of the country is chugging along as normal. Trump is desperately trying to build it up and stoke it because he's behind in the polls, and I doubt as many Americans are as keen on a "culture war" as he thinks. It could seriously backfire if suburban housewives with teenage sons hold him responsible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, welshbairn said: It's worth bearing in mind that this is mainly going on in American towns that we've barely heard of, and most of the country is chugging along as normal. Trump is desperately trying to build it up and stoke it because he's behind in the polls, and I doubt as many Americans are as keen on a "culture war" as he thinks. It could seriously backfire if suburban housewives with teenage sons hold him responsible. That's true. I bet a lot of Americans have barely heard of them, either. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Orson Welles was born in Kenosha. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 31 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: I dont mean this at you specifically, but as you said it... Something that absolutely needs to happen is folk need to stop using the word militia when referring to moronic wee freaks who have an obsession with guns. I dont know how much credence being in a "militia" really carries, but it's more than being a VL who has played too much Call of Duty. Call this wee p***k for what he is. A criminal who has precisely zero excuse for his actions, which were under any sensible assessment, murder. If you go towards a heated situation in which you have absolutely no reason for being there, whilst carrying an automatic weapon which you then use to kill people, you are a murderer. Yeh i was more using the term with contempt but yes, perhaps some better term would be waddling incel unit. They use the term because they largely model themselves on the michigan militia, which if you read up on the Oklahoma city stuff with Tim Mcveigh had links to the far right terrorists behind it. These people are entirely culpable for their actions, they are actively hoping to start race riots. Its like a more extreme version of the people who counter protest orange and republican walks. I agree, any of these WIU members were looking for trouble and living out fantasies of real life call of duty stuff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 The word militia is in the constitution so calling them that gives them some sort of justification - a wee boost that they're protecting freedoms etc. They absolutely fucking love being called militias 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, madwullie said: The word militia is in the constitution so calling them that gives them some sort of justification - a wee boost that they're protecting freedoms etc. They absolutely fucking love being called militias I suppose it's better than being called a gangster. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 6 minutes ago, madwullie said: The word militia is in the constitution so calling them that gives them some sort of justification - a wee boost that they're protecting freedoms etc. They absolutely fucking love being called militias Exactly that. Fucking fantasists 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinner-to-Saint Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 1 hour ago, welshbairn said: Who would have thought walking into a protest like this would provoke a reaction? That boy who threw a plastic bag at him had it coming. Are you judging him from a legal perspective, or in terms of morality? I understand it's perfectly legal in the US for citizens to carry guns. There's potentially an issue with him being 17, but then apparently one can join a militia at that age so it could be a grey area. Regardless, even if he was carrying it illegally, it could still be considered self-defence. He would simply be prosecuted for the misdemeanor. The way this debate has gone btw: Me: I think the guy might well be acquitted of the charges based on the grounds that he was defending himself. [POSTS VIDEO FOOTAGE OF SHOOTINGS & ANALYSIS FROM US LAWYER] Everyone else: You're an evil, morally bankrupt, racist imbecile. I hope you die a lingering death from a combination of cancer and a flesh-eating disease. -10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 It's the way that the police are completely complicit with them,on their side, to the extent that they confer with them, give water, direction etc that blows my mind. There's a lot wrong with this country, but the US has turned into a seriously fucked up place recently - it really does feel like it's barrelling towards a civil war. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinner-to-Saint Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 8 minutes ago, madwullie said: The word militia is in the constitution so calling them that gives them some sort of justification - a wee boost that they're protecting freedoms etc. They absolutely fucking love being called militias Sorry to sully your good name by agreeing with you, but I was about to post exactly that. It's enshrined in the Constitution, and many believe the Founding Fathers did so, not just in order to protect freedoms from being taken by the government, but so that the people could protect themselves if the government were unwilling to do so. -4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 49 minutes ago, welshbairn said: It's worth bearing in mind that this is mainly going on in American towns that we've barely heard of, and most of the country is chugging along as normal. Trump is desperately trying to build it up and stoke it because he's behind in the polls, and I doubt as many Americans are as keen on a "culture war" as he thinks. It could seriously backfire if suburban housewives with teenage sons hold him responsible. Sadly, the entire history of America suggests that suburbanites are far more likely to blame black people than they are rich white men for society's perceived problems. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinner-to-Saint Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, Bully Wee Villa said: Sadly, the entire history of America suggests that suburbanites are far more likely to blame black people than they are rich white men for society's perceived problems. Why do you make it a racial thing? Besides, who's more likely to burgle, assault or murder the average surburanite? -6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, MixuFruit said: See how it's kicking off in Portland again, and this all started with Proud Boys organising fights there a couple of years ago, was that a deliberate choice from them because Portland's considered one of the epicentres of socially liberal thought in the USA? Probably. Maybe the guy who likes Andy Ngo can answer. Given that Ngo is the Proud Boys cheerleader. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shandon Par Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, Sinner-to-Saint said: Why do you make it a racial thing? Besides, who's more likely to burgle, assault or murder the average surburanite? Someone from Paisley? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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