19QOS19 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 Just been shown the body-cam footage. The defence is absolutely going to use Floyd's "I can't breath" against him as he said it numerous times before he was on the deck 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 Can't we just fast forward to the ridiculously light sentence/acquittal and the resultant burning American cities? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 22 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said: Just been shown the body-cam footage. The defence is absolutely going to use Floyd's "I can't breath" against him as he said it numerous times before he was on the deck Pretty good chance that he started to be able to not breathe before he was taken to the ground. What actually has struck me about the case being presented is theres so much grandstanding from the prosecution (and the defence), some of the witnesses have been excellent and others im absolutely baffled as to why they even bothered to call them. I think the defence is going to rely very heavily on the drugs thing and the previous training they got from the israeli’s where that’s apparently a hold from krav maga or something. I think theres an outside chance he gets off with at least some of the charges here. For me from the video i can see absolutely no reason to be anywhere near that guys neck, just dont get it, there is a thing called excited delirium whereby people essentially overheat and go into cardiac arrest and they might try to go down that route in the defence but the footage is clear as day that Chauvin was on his neck when he had no need to be, I genuinely can’t see the need for it, ive seen people who have to be held on the ground because of the level of violence or whatever but theres just no need from anything in this to be on that guys neck, i just dont understand it. It doesnt even give you any better control of the arrested person, arms, legs and perhaps lower body, theres no control/restraint that I can see you getting from holding the neck, theres no sign of an immediate risk to Chauvin so how does he justify use of a hold which risks his life, use of force should be ‘proportionate and necessary’ doesnt seem to meet that test here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 Pretty good chance that he started to be able to not breathe before he was taken to the ground. What actually has struck me about the case being presented is theres so much grandstanding from the prosecution (and the defence), some of the witnesses have been excellent and others im absolutely baffled as to why they even bothered to call them. I think the defence is going to rely very heavily on the drugs thing and the previous training they got from the israeli’s where that’s apparently a hold from krav maga or something. I think theres an outside chance he gets off with at least some of the charges here. For me from the video i can see absolutely no reason to be anywhere near that guys neck, just dont get it, there is a thing called excited delirium whereby people essentially overheat and go into cardiac arrest and they might try to go down that route in the defence but the footage is clear as day that Chauvin was on his neck when he had no need to be, I genuinely can’t see the need for it, ive seen people who have to be held on the ground because of the level of violence or whatever but theres just no need from anything in this to be on that guys neck, i just dont understand it. It doesnt even give you any better control of the arrested person, arms, legs and perhaps lower body, theres no control/restraint that I can see you getting from holding the neck, theres no sign of an immediate risk to Chauvin so how does he justify use of a hold which risks his life, use of force should be ‘proportionate and necessary’ doesnt seem to meet that test here. Given that he claimed he was claustrophobic and he was a big guy in the back of a motor I think there's a real chance he was having palpitations and therefore struggling to breath. But we have to remember that the Jury will contain more than a couple of morons and if the defence gives it "if he couldn't breath how could he talk?/He was saying he couldn't breath before he was leaned on" then at least a couple will buy into that. That's my fear. From the footage we've been shown he never put up a major struggle until they tried to get him into the car. The fact he said "Thank you" when they took him back out the car makes it all the more heartbreaking how they then treated him tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 13 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said: Given that he claimed he was claustrophobic and he was a big guy in the back of a motor I think there's a real chance he was having palpitations and therefore struggling to breath. But we have to remember that the Jury will contain more than a couple of morons and if the defence gives it "if he couldn't breath how could he talk?/He was saying he couldn't breath before he was leaned on" then at least a couple will buy into that. That's my fear. From the footage we've been shown he never put up a major struggle until they tried to get him into the car. The fact he said "Thank you" when they took him back out the car makes it all the more heartbreaking how they then treated him tbh. Yep thats pretty much how i see it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lofarl Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 Yup they are Americans after all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 The two other coppers appear to take their weight off him. That will surely work in the favour of the prosecution? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Man#1 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 7 hours ago, The Moonster said: His wife isn't black. She was born in Laos. How would that have any effect on his feelings towards black people? You are 100% FTW. Yeah, that post absolutely screamed “all non-whites are the same to me”. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 Been in and out so far today so not 100% here. But is the guy who's pleading the fifth and now not testifying the guy who was in the car with Floyd? If so, the same fucking guy who is giving other interviews? In which case he's making money off the incident but not speaking to help his 'pal'? As I say, I've been in and out so might be completely picking it up wrong but if I'm right it's pretty sickening. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said: Been in and out so far today so not 100% here. But is the guy who's pleading the fifth and now not testifying the guy who was in the car with Floyd? If so, the same fucking guy who is giving other interviews? In which case he's making money off the incident but not speaking to help his 'pal'? As I say, I've been in and out so might be completely picking it up wrong but if I'm right it's pretty sickening. If thats the case it really wont help the prosecution. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 If thats the case it really wont help the prosecution. Indeed. Like I say, I may be picking it up wrong but if I'm right with my understanding I have an unhealthy level of dislike for him as a result. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 1 minute ago, 19QOS19 said: 1 hour ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: If thats the case it really wont help the prosecution. Indeed. Like I say, I may be picking it up wrong but if I'm right with my understanding I have an unhealthy level of dislike for him as a result. Yep, regardless of his right not to say anything the defence will absolutely cling on to that to create reasonable doubt, infer things and generally muddy the waters. You cant get angry at a defence agent for doing that, its their job to test the argument the prosecution makes. Ive been baffled by some of the things the prosecution has done and witnesses called, wonder if they had them in for a precognition at all, strange all round. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 I know he's 'the enemy' but I quite enjoy watching the defence attorney and I really can't figure out why. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 Massive moment there. This could be a huge piece of evidence in the prosecutions favour here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 1 hour ago, 19QOS19 said: Massive moment there. This could be a huge piece of evidence in the prosecutions favour here. What was it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesorpin@googlemail.com Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 I'm flabbergasted that if I get arrested and have riot police stand on my temple. when all I did was not reckonise they r they're. but a man drugged up tried to rip off a shop with a dodgy note. and his arrest came down to his arrest. but no. it comes down to facts not colour. (which doesn't get mentioned) resisted arrest. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 I'm flabbergasted that if I get arrested and have riot police stand on my temple. when all I did was not reckonise they r they're. but a man drugged up tried to rip off a shop with a dodgy note. and his arrest came down to his arrest. but no. it comes down to facts not colour. (which doesn't get mentioned) resisted arrest. Is this one of those bots we keep hearing about?Or has someone just drunk too much Calpol? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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