WoSFL Premier Division thread

[underdogunderdog underdog]

We are where we are guys, ask a Bankies  fan they’d bite your hand off for league two. Natural position is found in the pyramid unless your artificially created growth or you are purposefully sabotaging

Clubs have been forced in to a pyramid system though that many didn't want to be in. Beauty of WoSFL and juniors before it is local fixtures meaning plenty derbies that mean something to fans.

Best thing would be to restructure tier 5 to West, East and South regions. I'd even go as far to say Scottish football should be like that below top two tiers.

[andy25]

A few of the Talbot boys will leave if they go up due to travelling 

Don't agree most of the big guns have re-signed.

[Killiepiyo]

I’m not going to go over old ground but i was shot down in flames on here at the time as completely in my own opinion, I didn’t feel fans had enough say in what happened at time and felt that may come back to haunt a few clubs. 

The counter to that is “clubs consulted their supporters individually” etc but there was never enough time or information handed out and anyone that didn’t have access to technology or wasn’t proficient in its use had even less. I’ve no doubt people made the best decision for their club they could at the time, but for me felt rushed and that gap between some clubs, new board and the supporters still exists and is becoming more apparent as we find clubs in the situation of possible being promoted.

[Killiepiyo]

Also not assisted by the goal posts shifting in respect to the B teams. Again these are my own opinions and not representing anyone but myself.

[andy25]

Also not assisted by the goal posts shifting in respect to the B teams. Again these are my own opinions and not representing anyone but myself.

The B teams were never going to be for one season. Anyone with half a brain could see it was going to continue. Money talks.

[Killiepiyo]

19 minutes ago, underdogunderdog underdog said:

Clubs have been forced in to a pyramid system though that many didn't want to be in. Beauty of WoSFL and juniors before it is local fixtures meaning plenty derbies that mean something to fans.

Best thing would be to restructure tier 5 to West, East and South regions. I'd even go as far to say Scottish football should be like that below top two tiers.

Completely respect that view pal, before juniors became some what of a bad word on here I could appreciate the product for what it offered. Granted it needed a refresh in opinions but it was a great alternative for many supporters and things like that got missed out on here such was the heated nature of things at time. Some saw it as oppressive and defunct and for me yeah things could have been improved but it was a bit of baby out with the bath water. We are where we are and we’ll all need to make it work. How that looks may differing significantly for club to club.

[Shanner]

8 hours ago, Hawf time pie said:

I`m hearing that the difference is Darvel want to win the league and go up....Talbot want to win it, but don`t want to go up... (Maybe happy being the big fish in the wee pond... don`t fancy promotion and not being the Big Fish and not winning all the time?

 your sources are mistaken. 

Edited April 7, 2022 by Shanner

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

1 hour ago, Killiepiyo said:

I’ve spent a bit of time to find the source of the Talbot don’t want to go up stuff, It’s multi layered as anyone might presume. Talbot were perhaps the most public in the press about their desire to keep playing junior football.

Overall I personally found myself in the awkward position of being pro pyramid but not entirely. My position was always a pyramid was essential but the plans as they sat weren’t good or concrete enough. This appeared to some as me being against the pyramid which I never was. 

You also had different clubs with differing outlooks and they only way you could read about them to any depths was to come on here. But that wasn’t the best way to discuss non jumped on exploration of any of the cons. Was really pretty tense looking back on it. 

So anyway the breakaway happens with everyone joining regardless of difference of opinions on the matter. New league board is put in place and off we went.

Talbot come straight out of changes to the press saying, we didn’t want this to happen but we will do everything in our power to make this successful. In it to win it. Promotion the lot. The actions since confirm that to be the case. You’ll find some with differing opinions still on it, saw one outlet using ‘winstons wafflings’ as evidence Talbot didn’t want promotion. The truth is it’s essential in the longer term.

For me, imo, to make a success of the pyramid for a club like Talbot has to be to establish itself in league one or two. Also imo the Lowland looks like a patch that many may need to navigate quickly as may be another decade or more before it’s as established club wise as the west. With the possible inclusion of further B team that patch may be longer and dryer and will require skilfulness from each club going up to retain the positive moment.

anyway way longer than I intended but no question that Talbot wish promotion imo. If it doesn’t happen the present west is competitive enough with enough travelling support to maintain things again imo 

 

Theres absolutely no reason a well run Pollok/Talbot/Buffs/Clydebank or whomever with a decent academy system, making good signings, not going mental with the finances etc cannot do what the likes of Arbroath have done or even just be a solid league 1 team, there genuinely is not much of a difference already between tiers 3-6, if anything the whole system in Scotland could do with change, I like the italian system. 

1 hour ago, andy25 said:

1 hour ago, Killiepiyo said:

I’ve spent a bit of time to find the source of the Talbot don’t want to go up stuff, It’s multi layered as anyone might presume. Talbot were perhaps the most public in the press about their desire to keep playing junior football.
Overall I personally found myself in the awkward position of being pro pyramid but not entirely. My position was always a pyramid was essential but the plans as they sat weren’t good or concrete enough. This appeared to some as me being against the pyramid which I never was. 
You also had different clubs with differing outlooks and they only way you could read about them to any depths was to come on here. But that wasn’t the best way to discuss non jumped on exploration of any of the cons. Was really pretty tense looking back on it. 
So anyway the breakaway happens with everyone joining regardless of difference of opinions on the matter. New league board is put in place and off we went.
Talbot come straight out of changes to the press saying, we didn’t want this to happen but we will do everything in our power to make this successful. In it to win it. Promotion the lot. The actions since confirm that to be the case. You’ll find some with differing opinions still on it, saw one outlet using ‘winstons wafflings’ as evidence Talbot didn’t want promotion. The truth is it’s essential in the longer term.
For me, imo, to make a success of the pyramid for a club like Talbot has to be to establish itself in league one or two. Also imo the Lowland looks like a patch that many may need to navigate quickly as may be another decade or more before it’s as established club wise as the west. With the possible inclusion of further B team that patch may be longer and dryer and will require skilfulness from each club going up to retain the positive moment.
anyway way longer than I intended but no question that Talbot wish promotion imo. If it doesn’t happen the present west is competitive enough with enough travelling support to maintain things again imo 
 

I have no wish to see Talbot in League 2 paying £13 or £14 for the privilege of watching them playing the likes of Albion Rovers and Stenhousemuir and I'm sure I'm not alone in that regard.

But Talbot or whoever can be the change, cap the prices at £8 or whatever, keep the home crowds as they are and generate more commercial revenue etc and you can operate with lower gate prices. I agree with others that given you can pay $15 for a Bundesliga game that the prices in Scotland are beyond disgusting and driven by the desire to attempt to compete with the arsecheeks and not build a product that people will love. 

57 minutes ago, Killiepiyo said:

We are where we are guys, ask a Bankies  fan they’d bite your hand off for league two. Natural position is found in the pyramid unless your artificially created growth or you are purposefully sabotaging

As above, theres genuinely not much difference. I loved the away trips to Forfar etc, they are amazing experiences and for me as a wee guy at the time adventures. I want my club playing at the highest possible level, why wouldnt anyone? As long as its done sustainably and done properly?

54 minutes ago, underdogunderdog underdog said:

Clubs have been forced in to a pyramid system though that many didn't want to be in. Beauty of WoSFL and juniors before it is local fixtures meaning plenty derbies that mean something to fans.

Best thing would be to restructure tier 5 to West, East and South regions. I'd even go as far to say Scottish football should be like that below top two tiers.

 I thought the move en masse to the WOSL was a mistake a bit rushed, but agree that tier 5 is ridiculous with the HL and LL given equal billing despite the population proportion etc, a North/West/East split would be fairer and more in line with the likes of the aforementioned Italian model. 

[glensmad]

I agree that the move into the pyramid should have been individual clubs' choice and those who wished to stay in the West Region SJFA should have been given the opportunity to do so. But nobody from the LL-run WoSFL (as it was at the time) forced any club to apply to join, they only invited applications and sat back to see who actually did apply. All the pressure for all clubs to move over came from the now defunct West Region.

[Stag Nation]

1 hour ago, underdogunderdog underdog said:

1 hour ago, andy25 said:

I have no wish to see Talbot in League 2 paying £13 or £14 for the privilege of watching them playing the likes of Albion Rovers and Stenhousemuir and I'm sure I'm not alone in that regard.

Pricing in Scotland overall needs looked at. Should be a maximum of £10 for clubs out with tip two divisions. Even in Premiership and Championship it should be a maximum of £20

Good idea, except that colluding to fix prices is a criminal offence.

[andy25]

Good idea, except that colluding to fix prices is a criminal offence.

Some of the prices that some clubs charge should be a criminal offence.

[Killiepiyo]

54 minutes ago, glensmad said:

I agree that the move into the pyramid should have been individual clubs' choice and those who wished to stay in the West Region SJFA should have been given the opportunity to do so. But nobody from the LL-run WoSFL (as it was at the time) forced any club to apply to join, they only invited applications and sat back to see who actually did apply. All the pressure for all clubs to move over came from the now defunct West Region.

There was never an acceptable position where some went and some didn’t. It was right to go as one imo It may suit some but not others. Who knows, but again this is what we’ve got and until the next breakaway or restructuring and we make the best of what we can.  ️

[Glenconner]

Thing is if you took the presnt top 10 clubs out the Wosfl and put them in the LL or above, what would be left.

Would any of the rest gain anymore fans?

Would it just be Glensmad and me posting on here twice a week?

What would Cumbernauld Colts, Braves or the kiddie on Wesf End outfit that play in Alloa bring to the Wosfl party?

[geo87]

When did he slag off other team's pitches?

Almost every week a couple of seasons back when all the funding became more apparent. Was before he got kicked off the committee I think

[LongTimeLurker]

7 minutes ago, Glenconner said:

...What would Cumbernauld Colts, Braves or the kiddie on Wesf End outfit that play in Alloa bring to the Wosfl party?

They'll pass through WoSL premier like a bowl of prunes and find their natural level like Hawick Royal Albert have in the east.

[FairWeatherFan]

3 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

They'll pass through WoSL premier like a bowl of prunes and find their natural level like Hawick Royal Albert have in the east.

Easily said. Although there's not much difference between some of these clubs and Rossvale, Gartcairn, St Cadoc's, and Drumchapel United. At least for now there's nothing to worry about with Broomhill since they'd be down to the EoSFL.

[Glenconner]

3 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

They'll pass through WoSL premier like a bowl of prunes and find their natural level like Hawick Royal Albert have in the east.

Can see you and yer best mate Burnieman telling us in 2032, hold on the LL will add an extra promotion place soon.

[Kenny*******Powers]

3 hours ago, Darvel legend said:

agreed darvel playing those 2 teams on a wednesday night at darvel with those prices wouldnt attract 100 paying spectators and i would imagine even talbot support would drop like a stone , these clubs have done brilliant to be licensed , get in the big scottish cup and i just dont see the attraction of l l league or league 1 or league 2 

So its fine for Talbot etc to scoop up all the Scottish Cup money but don’t really want to play the pros on a more regular basis? Can’t have it both ways, if you want the big Scottish then sadly promotion in to the seniors might come along eventually 

[Blackie Gold]

11 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Haha thats a real zinger, honestly who writes these for you? Cmon tell us? 

I'm not being funny but what I just read, looks like its been written by Ned Flanders.

[Botlad67]

3 hours ago, andy25 said:

3 hours ago, Botlad67 said:

A few of the Talbot boys will leave if they go up due to travelling 

People say Talbot should be aiming to do what Cove & Kelty have done but I think they forget these teams have people pumping in huge amounts of money and these teams are playing some of their players thousands of pounds a week.

Ayrshire based boys won’t travel