Hendricks Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Tony Wonder said: Finlay Pollock is close to the first team, younger and ours. He might not be as good as Lowry just now but he certainly won't be if he doesn't get chances. Aye, I'd prefer a successful Hearts first team rather than worrying about developing our own players too much. If Pollock is good enough he'll force his way in. He'll make it impossible for them to ignore him. Edited August 4, 2023 by Hendricks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wonder Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 20 minutes ago, Hendricks said: Aye, I'd prefer a successful Hearts first team rather than worrying about developing our own players too much. If Pollock is good enough he'll force his way in. He'll make it impossible for them to ignore him. An understandable point of view. I'd personally rather we had a successful team without loaning from teams in the same league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC92 Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 I'm probably missing someone obvious, but have we had a player on loan from the OF before? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 20 minutes ago, Tony Wonder said: An understandable point of view. I'd personally rather we had a successful team without loaning from teams in the same league. I’d rather we had an option to buy if we’re taking loans 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. X Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 I would rather not have loan players, especially from our own league. However, if he helps us finish third then all will be forgiven. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 51 minutes ago, Empty It said: I can imagine the fans will be very quick to judge Lowry for the facts others have mentioned, should be giving our youngsters a shot rather than loaning Sevco young players. Also thought Lowry was on the verge of breaking into the Rangers team so strange one imo. There was some tweets about his attitude being poor a month or so ago. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wonder Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 11 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: I’d rather we had an option to buy if we’re taking loans It'd definitely make it more palatable but doesn't look the case here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wonder Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 For the record I think he's a decent player and if he signs I'll support him. It's not really his fault, it's just a route I'd really rather not go down. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid android Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 Cannae see the Lowry thing happening. Are we signing a fucking right back or what? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballFan89 Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 Difficult one IMO, I would love to see us give our own young players a chance either in a starting position or regular substitute appearances. Especially with players like Pollok who looks like he could be a really good player and possibly ready to step up. Ultimately though we are all going to quite rightly judge Naismith and McAvoy on results and how we start the season, with that in mind they need to be allowed to bring in the players that they believe are going to allow them to do their job the best. If the management played young players to meet fan demand and it didn't work we couldn't really hold them to account, let them do the job with the tools they think are best and lets see how it goes. I don't think it really shines a negative light on our academy either as we have had a few players come through the last couple of years and the B team could be used as a metric to judge the progression of young players and they seem to be doing ok. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stylish Kid Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 Have we actually signed this guy? Personally if we have a buy option like McRorie then great. Ultimately our first goal is to get 3rd and progress in cups. I'm not convinced that Lowry is a better option than either Beni, Cammy or even Grant 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wonder Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 21 minutes ago, paranoid android said: Cannae see the Lowry thing happening. Are we signing a fucking right back or what? Lowry confirmed. Season long loan. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC92 Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 20 minutes ago, Stylish Kid said: Have we actually signed this guy? Personally if we have a buy option like McRorie then great. Ultimately our first goal is to get 3rd and progress in cups. I'm not convinced that Lowry is a better option than either Beni, Cammy or even Grant Not sure where he usually plays, but he's been wide left when I've seen him. He'll be an alternative to McKay (currently injured) rather than competing with the CMs I think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid android Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 7 minutes ago, Tony Wonder said: Lowry confirmed. Season long loan. As I was saying! I just didn't see rangers doing us a favour! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stylish Kid Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 Being dispassionate, it's no different to loaning someone from Brighton like Alex Cochrane. And who knows, he might be deemed surplus to requirements at Ranges and we get him in the end. Not being dispassionate .... It's Rangers. Fuckin' Booo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoose Rice Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, Stylish Kid said: Being dispassionate, it's no different to loaning someone from Brighton like Alex Cochrane. And who knows, he might be deemed surplus to requirements at Ranges and we get him in the end. Not being dispassionate .... It's Rangers. Fuckin' Booo They can recall to sell him or play for them in January. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 Hes contracted at Rangers until 2025 so i suspect if hes good enough that you want to keep then youll find hes also too expensive. Strange loan for Hearts, really. Inter-league loans can make sense for clubs without financial pulling power as, especially from Celtic/Rangers, you can get someone better than what you could afford permanently. For Hearts though? Seems lose lose. Youre developing a player for a rival while, at best, getting 1 season out them, and also losing out financially in every way. Feels like you couldve signed someone to do what Lowry will permanently while also getting some longer term benefit. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoose Rice Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 8 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: Hes contracted at Rangers until 2025 so i suspect if hes good enough that you want to keep then youll find hes also too expensive. Strange loan for Hearts, really. Inter-league loans can make sense for clubs without financial pulling power as, especially from Celtic/Rangers, you can get someone better than what you could afford permanently. For Hearts though? Seems lose lose. Youre developing a player for a rival while, at best, getting 1 season out them, and also losing out financially in every way. Feels like you couldve signed someone to do what Lowry will permanently while also getting some longer term benefit. Naibadges developing players for his true love instead of the junior jambos. Makes perfect sense. Good player with plenty of potential btw. Be a good signing for any club outside the top two. I don't mind using the tool to get good players that can improve the team even if only for a season. The hypocrisy of hearts fans who say they would hate to loan from them like Aberdeen and us have has to be highlighted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wonder Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 14 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: Hes contracted at Rangers until 2025 so i suspect if hes good enough that you want to keep then youll find hes also too expensive. Strange loan for Hearts, really. Inter-league loans can make sense for clubs without financial pulling power as, especially from Celtic/Rangers, you can get someone better than what you could afford permanently. For Hearts though? Seems lose lose. Youre developing a player for a rival while, at best, getting 1 season out them, and also losing out financially in every way. Feels like you couldve signed someone to do what Lowry will permanently while also getting some longer term benefit. I don't really disagree with this tbh. He's a good player, and an upgrade on the likes of Forrest or Grant. But beyond this season there's no real benefit in it for us and we are financially well off enough to source players we can keep. I thought the same when Aberdeen and Hibs loaned from the 2 in Glasgow, it just doesn't stack up borrowing and developing players from teams you can't stand and don't need to engage with. He's here and it's not his fault so I wish him well, sure he'll do us a turn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wonder Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 25 minutes ago, Stylish Kid said: Being dispassionate, it's no different to loaning someone from Brighton like Alex Cochrane. And who knows, he might be deemed surplus to requirements at Ranges and we get him in the end. Not being dispassionate .... It's Rangers. Fuckin' Booo I think it is different to Cochrane tbh. Guys like him you're borrowing from a different league, not nurturing talent for someone you don't like. Also, there's always the chance that if a PL player does well you can get them long term, we've done it,Hibs and Aberdeen too, because the English teams aren't really fussed. Whereas if someone like Lowry stands out they are just taken back and there's no chance of it being permanent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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