Well v Saints 12/12/2020

[capt_oats]

50 minutes ago, welldaft said:

Don’t worry. Your goal drought or lack of goals will come to an end at Fir Park.

It kind of me makes me wish we had 2 Scotland International players playing in defence. Add to that a Ugandan International. Then our defence would be impenetrable......

We were going along nicely before the International break but the games since including on Saturday have not been good. Yes we were disallowed a perfectly good goal to put us 1-0 up but second half was poor. In fact it probably is not far wrong that when we go 1-0 up we rarely lose and when we go 1-0 down we never win. That is why that disallowed goal was perhaps more impactful that many pundits and fans would have thought or commented on. 

So in summary whoever scores 1st will not lose the game.  Not at all confident it will be us though. 

Strongly agree with a lot of this.

It's a very specific point that I'm tying myself in knots to make but the Hibs goal on Saturday was the first we've lost from open play against a non-OF side in the league since August - the only goal we'd conceded in the 5 (non-OF) games prior was the St Johnstone penalty the week before.

Watching the game back from Saturday I'd go as far as to say we were...quite good. A bit blunt maybe but the Watt chance wasn't much different to the one he scored against County, Bevis had his goal ruled out for no good reason and overall Archer didn't really have a save of note to make. 2nd half was obviously a different story but it was a classic "if you don't take your chances..." affair.

On your point about going one up...the St Johnstone LC game was the first that we've lost after going ahead all season.

Spoiler

County - lost to nil
United - lost to nil
Livi - draw, went 1 up
Hibs - draw 0-0
Accies - lost to nil
Glentoran - won, went 1 up
Celtic - lost to nil
St Johnstone - won to nil
Coleraine - draw, went 1 up
Aberdeen - won to nil
Hapoel - lost to nil
Rangers - lost, they scored first
Kilmarnock - LOL
St Mirren - LOL
County - won to nil
Livingston - won to nil
Celtic - lost, they scored first
St Johnstone - draw, went 1 up
St Johnstone - lost, went 1 up
Hibs - lost to nil

 

Edited December 10, 2020 by capt_oats

[YassinMoutaouakil]

Aye I wasn't exactly enthused after Saturday but I did raise an eyebrow at some of the histrionics afterwards. I think the vast majority of our performances have been much of a muchness this season really, even when we're losing by a few goals it's usually down to breaks of the ball and bad decision making, and our more impressive results have been less than comprehensive.

[FTOF]

I watched the highlights and thought 3-0 flattered Hibs.

Although it's stating the obvious, It will come down to which team's strikers finish better on Saturday. There's no doubt that 'Well have the better quality strikers.

Unfortunately, even our midfield don't seem to be able to chip in with goals either.

I take it that you offer livestream for away fans?

Edited December 10, 2020 by FTOF

[ropy]

St Mirren’s endeavours to disrupt our momentum earlier in the season should be punished.  4-0 (Steve Kirk x 4) is the least I expect.

[Billy Jean King]

If Well score more than 1 they win, exactly 1 they draw or win. If they don't score Saints might win.

 

It's as simple as that

 

 

[ZX1886]

I take it that you offer livestream for away fans?

£12 if I remember correctly.

Been a few problems with it this season but the match against Hibs was certainly the best it had worked yet (unfortunately).

[ropy]

17 minutes ago, ZX1886 said:

 

£12 if I remember correctly.

Been a few problems with it this season but the match against Hibs was certainly the best it had worked yet (unfortunately).

 

I miss that lassie

[Lex]

Last time we played Well was February, we played them three times in seventeen days. We won two and drew the other and won twice at Fir Park in a week.
Let’s hope for a repeat of the Obika master class in the cup game that saw us 4-1 up at half time, but let’s hope we avoid a repeat the second half where we almost threw it away.
Just seen Peter Hartley is no longer with the Well so probably hoping for too much there.
Likely be another tight one, a point would be a decent result and I’ll go for 1-1.

[well fan for life]

10 minutes ago, Lex said:

Last time we played Well was February, we played them three times in seventeen days. We won two and drew the other and won twice at Fir Park in a week.
Let’s hope for a repeat of the Obika master class in the cup game that saw us 4-1 up at half time, but let’s hope we avoid a repeat the second half where we almost threw it away.
Just seen Peter Hartley is no longer with the Well so probably hoping for too much there.
Likely be another tight one, a point would be a decent result and I’ll go for 1-1.

You call it the Obika masterclass. I call it the Hartley-Mugabi catastrophe. 

I text my pal as soon as the line up came out that night saying the defence was giving me the absolute fear. And so it came to pass. 

[Ron Aldo]

Last time we played Well was February, we played them three times in seventeen days. We won two and drew the other and won twice at Fir Park in a week.
Let’s hope for a repeat of the Obika master class in the cup game that saw us 4-1 up at half time, but let’s hope we avoid a repeat the second half where we almost threw it away.
Just seen Peter Hartley is no longer with the Well so probably hoping for too much there.
Likely be another tight one, a point would be a decent result and I’ll go for 1-1.

Don't worry. Mugabi played that night and is still here. We've also replaced Hartley with Ricki Lamie who is infinitely worse. Lamie might not play but if does I'd expect St Mirren to score at least 2.

[capt_oats]

46 minutes ago, Lex said:

Last time we played Well was February, we played them three times in seventeen days. We won two and drew the other and won twice at Fir Park in a week.
Let’s hope for a repeat of the Obika master class in the cup game that saw us 4-1 up at half time, but let’s hope we avoid a repeat the second half where we almost threw it away.
Just seen Peter Hartley is no longer with the Well so probably hoping for too much there.
Likely be another tight one, a point would be a decent result and I’ll go for 1-1.

You're surely not claiming the game that went to pens as a win? Two draws and a win for Saints.

[ropy]

43 minutes ago, well fan for life said:

You call it the Obika masterclass. I call it the Hartley-Mugabi catastrophe. 

I text my pal as soon as the line up came out that night saying the defence was giving me the absolute fear. And so it came to pass. 

I have no memory of the goals we lost but I do remember thinking at half time that we were still in it.

Penalties were poor though, compare with our European exploits.

[well fan for life]

26 minutes ago, ropy said:

I have no memory of the goals we lost but I do remember thinking at half time that we were still in it.

Penalties were poor though, compare with our European exploits.

I have never felt less confident than when Jermaine Hylton start walking from the halfway line. 

[RostokMcSpoons]

I recall one of our recent managers (it might even be Robinson) giving a stat that  - and I paraphrase as I can't remember the exact figure -  "when a team goes 1-0 up they can expect to win 87% of the matches from that position"
(It might have been 84% rather than 87, but deffo mid or high 80's)

Which, if true, just goes to show that it's the same for pretty much all teams that you'll see a lot more wins than draws, and defeats will be notably rare, once you've got that first goal.

I guess the unfortunate exception to that stat will be when facing the OF as they tend to have such a surfeit of striking power they can confidently expect to get at least a couple of goals in most games.


Anyway, seeing  as we're either cold or luke-warm in front of goal at the moment, I'll be expecting a 0-1 defeat or a tedious 0-0 that will make me question sitting in front of a PC for 2 hours at the weekend.

Edited December 11, 2020 by RostokMcSpoons

[ropy]

1 hour ago, well fan for life said:

I have never felt less confident than when Jermaine Hylton start walking from the halfway line. 

His walk from half way was more assured than his run up (stroll) for the kick

Edit : the score on penalties was 3:2 so Saints were no great shakes (better than us) 

Edited December 11, 2020 by ropy

[ZX1886]

You call it the Obika masterclass. I call it the Hartley-Mugabi catastrophe. 
I text my pal as soon as the line up came out that night saying the defence was giving me the absolute fear. And so it came to pass. 

Still get nightmares of Hartley’s defending that night, thought Saints were going to score every time they came forward. To think there are folk in our support that wanted to keep him [emoji85]

[capt_oats]

Devante's back in the squad for tomorrow apparently.

 

[well fan for life]

51 minutes ago, ZX1886 said:

 

Still get nightmares of Hartley’s defending that night, thought Saints were going to score every time they came forward. To think there are folk in our support that wanted to keep him

 

Hartley quietly escorting a run from inside the St Mirren half, ensuring no tackle was made, before firing it into his own net was something else. 

[buddie06smfc]

2 teams who are in false positions for opposite reasons. A win here and the SPFL coming to a sensible conclusion would have us equal on points with Motherwell & the Robinson out calls will intensify. 

3-0 St Mirren.

[ropy]

1 hour ago, well fan for life said:

Hartley quietly escorting a run from inside the St Mirren half, ensuring no tackle was made, before firing it into his own net was something else. 

Just watched it back and had to laugh, although some of our goals that night were funny too