GallowayBlue Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 If we list the teams that could be against based on form/previous statements etc: Albion Rovers Berwick Rangers Bo'ness United Civil Service Strollers Cowdenbeath East Stirlingshire Linlithgow Rose Tranent Assuming they all do vote against, still one short. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 1 minute ago, GallowayBlue said: If we list the teams that could be against based on form/previous statements etc: Albion Rovers Berwick Rangers Bo'ness United Civil Service Strollers Cowdenbeath East Stirlingshire Linlithgow Rose Tranent Assuming they all do vote against, still one short. Think Edinburgh Uni have been good guys on this issue in the past. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanley Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, LongTimeLurker said: Think Edinburgh Uni have been good guys on this issue in the past. I think Caledonian Braves voted against it last time as well. Confirmation here from last time: https://www.caledonianbraves.com/news/club-statement-b-teams-in-slfl Edited December 18, 2023 by stanley 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowenan Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Would be good to see more clubs make statements like the one Albion Rovers made. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
To B or not B Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 (edited) 33 minutes ago, lowenan said: Would be good to see more clubs make statements like the one Albion Rovers made. They won’t though, it’s all about the and sod the rest of the pyramid. Edited December 18, 2023 by To B or not B 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowenan Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Still have a hope that B teams are voted out today. In addition, if you could add one more permament relegation spot to the current system, and you've got the most exciting league in Scotland. Bottom League Two team should go straight down as well, but that's a discussion for another place and time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachboy Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 17 minutes ago, To B or not B said: They won’t though, it’s all about the and sod the rest of the pyramid. Tranent FC will once again vote NO to B teams within the already unfair pyramid system, we will however be in favour of more automatic promotion places into the Lowland league, our stance hasn't wavered over the years. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Caley Braves have shared the PDF proposal from the league here: https://www.caledonianbraves.com/news/vote-on-the-inclusion-of-b-teams 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanley Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Hopefully the clubs that vote in favour will release statements and explain their reasons. Could be a long wait. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanley Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, Dunning1874 said: Caley Braves have shared the PDF proposal from the league here: https://www.caledonianbraves.com/news/vote-on-the-inclusion-of-b-teams Same thing happened last year with them putting it fans and they voted no so hopefully the same this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PossilYM Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 20 minutes ago, stanley said: Hopefully the clubs that vote in favour will release statements and explain their reasons. Could be a long wait. Coin and nothing else 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Going by the PDF its a guarantee for two seasons. Great how 16 teams (2 of whom might not be in the league next season, let alone the year after) get to decide something like this. Aye right! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 (edited) 30 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: Going by the PDF its a guarantee for two seasons. Great how 16 teams (2 of whom might not be in the league next season, let alone the year after) get to decide something like this. Aye right! "Going by the PDF its a guarantee for two seasons. Great how 16 teams (2 of whom might not be in the league next season, let alone the year after) get to decide something like this. " Presumably the League can choose to guarantee for two seasons and have an option to extend for a further season but, as it is making decisions for clubs which are not yet in the league but will be via current promotion/relegation rules & regs, then there has to be a break clause inserted so that, as the membership changes, the new clubs have the choice as to whether or not to continue the proposed agreement. Anyway the whole idea is obviously to give the B teams time to cook up a deal with the SFA/SPFL over how they are going to get into the SPFL. Every £ that comes in via the B teams makes it harder for clubs relegated from the SPFL2 down to the Lowland League to regain their place at SPFL2 level. Time for heads to roll from the Lowland League Board. A new Board needs to be put in position which will: [a] carry out expulsion of B teams that haven't started at the base of the Pyramid, expansion of the Lowland League to 18 clubs, [c] automatic relegation for the bottom two clubs at the end of each season (with no reprieves) and [d] automatic promotion for two clubs from the the next level down each season. Any gaps to be filled by additional promotions from the next level down. Edited December 18, 2023 by Dev the BOLD doesn't work and [b] cannot be inserted! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
To B or not B Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 17 minutes ago, Dev said: "Going by the PDF its a guarantee for two seasons. Great how 16 teams (2 of whom might not be in the league next season, let alone the year after) get to decide something like this. " Presumably the League can choose to guarantee for two seasons and have an option to extend for a further season but, as it is making decisions for clubs which are not yet in the league but will be via current promotion/relegation rules & regs, then there has to be a break clause inserted so that, as the membership changes, the new clubs have the choice as to whether or not to continue the proposed agreement. Anyway the whole idea is obviously to give the B teams time to cook up a deal with the SFA/SPFL over how they are going to get into the SPFL. Every £ that comes in via the B teams makes it harder for clubs relegated from the SPFL2 down to the Lowland League to regain their place at SPFL2 level. Time for heads to roll from the Lowland League Board. A new Board needs to be put in position which will: [a] carry out expulsion of B teams that haven't started at the base of the Pyramid, expansion of the Lowland League to 18 clubs, [c] automatic relegation for the bottom two clubs at the end of each season (with no reprieves) and [d] automatic promotion for two clubs from the the next level down each season. Any gaps to be filled by additional promotions from the next level down. Unfortunately it’s a members league, the board have no control over what members vote for. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connor7 Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Is the vote tonight? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
To B or not B Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, Connor7 said: Is the vote tonight? Yes 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Berwick also confirm they'll vote no. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 ^^^could be a pivotal one because they have voted the wrong way in the past AFAIR. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNU_Linux Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Berwick Rangers FC will be voting against a proposal to extend the participation of guest clubs in the Park’s Motor Group Lowland League. This comes ahead of a vote of Lowland League member clubs tonight, and following the dissemination of the aforementioned B team proposal last week. This proposal seeks to extend the participation of guest clubs for two more seasons, with the option to extend into a third season. Changes have also been put forward with regard to the eligibility criteria for B team players to appear in league matches. A proposed entrance fee per guest club has also been suggested in the proposal. Regrettably, the short time frame between the proposal reaching us and tonight’s vote has precluded us from undertaking any extended consultation with our fans. However, we have listened to your views on the participation of guest clubs – both in previous meetings and in the stands this season – and feel that voting against this proposal is the right thing to do, just as it was over the proposed Conference League in the summer. Fundamentally, we want to participate in a league made up of clubs who have earned their places on merit, and are all competing on a similar field and for the same purpose. In the vote tonight, we have the opportunity to help to shape the Lowland League in that direction, and that is how we will use our vote. As many of our supporters will be aware, the current financial environment for part-time football clubs is very difficult, and Berwick Rangers are not an exception in finding ourselves facing budgetary pressures. However, the long-term financial sustainability of the club, and of this level of football in general, cannot be based on relying on payments for the participation of B teams in the Lowland League. We are committed to being here for the long term through a community-focused approach to our operations and being a great day out for our supporters, while supporting a push for greater financial fair play regulation of the Lowland League. Our position on tonight’s vote is not a reflection in any way on our relations with Heart of Midlothian B and Celtic B, both of whom have treated us with friendliness and hospitality when they have hosted us in previous fixtures. Furthermore, although we will be voting against the proposal, we will respect the outcome as decided by all sixteen member clubs, and will continue to work alongside our peers in the Lowland League to create the best possible competition for clubs and supporters. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shannon Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, To B or not B said: Unfortunately it’s a members league, the board have no control over what members vote for. But they do vote when it's tied weirdly enough. Edited December 18, 2023 by Shannon 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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