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The "Coming Home" hype around England looks like a noose around their neck now. It's ramped up the pressure on the players, driven the fans insane like the "The Ten" did up here and seems to really piss off Euro fans and teams to the extent that a Scottish/Irish attitude to them getting beat seems quite widespread. 

Bonnuci and Schmeichel were both clearly pissed off by it and the idea that England winning is somehow more important and meaningful than anyone else is only going to motivate all of your opponents making winning more difficult.

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Lee Dixon fell silent as soon as Donnarumma saved the final penalty and never uttered a single word thereafter.

Genuinely think he stormed out the studio in a huff as Matterface had to gonsolo for a good 10 minutes.

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3 hours ago, LondonHMFC said:

Joyous.

Didn't mean to but ended up watching it right through.  Quite enjoyed the roller coaster of emotions, 3 lads supporting their team you almost feel for them. A world away from the smug entitlement of the presenters, commentators and pundits we have to suffer.  The lad dressed as Freddie Mercury slapping the wee one in the pus after Italy miss their fifth penalty in a drunken outburst of emotion was superb.

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Chiellini is a God of a player. 

Not just a world class defender and an all-round nice bloke by all accounts (and someone who has a BA in Economics and a Masters in Business administration), but he has the ability to instantly take your mind back to younger days.....the Italian team of the early 80's for instance, where each and every one of their defenders would murder you, your family, and everyone your family has ever spoken to, just to win a throw in. 

The phrase 'throwback to an earlier time' can be overused, but Chiellini is its living embodiment.  The summer of 1982 and the world cup in Spain kept on floating into my head every time I saw him last night...happy days. 

 

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Just now, Ludo*1 said:

Lee Dixon fell silent as soon as Donnarumma saved the final penalty and never uttered a single word thereafter.

Genuinely think he stormed out the studio in a huff as Matterface had to gonsolo for a good 10 minutes.

I hope they can update the commentary on Fifa 21. 

"With me in the commentary box was Lee Dixon. But he's fucked off because his team got beat."

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1 minute ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:
15 minutes ago, Hedgecutter said:
I'm genuinely struggling to work out whether this is an example of dry wit, or one of the best cases of stupidity in the history of P&B.

It's Stormzy so it's stupidity.

That was my initial impression, but watching him trying to claim personal victory over a St Johnstone fan (who's team just won the cup double) with 'Rangers won the league and England got to a final' just seems too far fetched.

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was worried that the ref would get conned by dives from both teams last night but he was outstanding...wish more refs would ignore the divers and cheats and just get on with the game....lost count how many times kane went down with minimal or no contact and the ref just ignored it...and the sterling dive in the box was a great bit off refereeing.

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Just now, Meeniedee said:

was worried that the ref would get conned by dives from both teams last night but he was outstanding...wish more refs would ignore the divers and cheats and just get on with the game....lost count how many times kane went down with minimal or no contact and the ref just ignored it...and the sterling dive in the box was a great bit off refereeing.

I thought he was poor in the first half and mentioned it on here at half time. He was brilliant from the second half onwards.

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9 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:
23 minutes ago, Hedgecutter said:
I'm genuinely struggling to work out whether this is an example of dry wit, or one of the best cases of stupidity in the history of P&B.

It's Stormzy so it's stupidity.

Oh man, coming from yourself this is tragic on a number of levels. 

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4 minutes ago, Hedgecutter said:

That was my initial impression, but watching him trying to claim personal victory over a St Johnstone fan (who's team just won the cup double) with 'Rangers won the league and England got to a final' just seems too far fetched.

Claiming personal victory lmao, listen to yourself. 

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Getting to a WC semi and now a Euros final are achievements for this England side, even with the favourable draws and home advantage etc.

They could win something, its not always the best teams that win tournaments, but they surely can't watch the technical brilliance in that Spain v Italy semi final and think "we're on a par with that". Same with Modric inspired Croatia in 2018.  The ability to keep the ball in tight areas and not surrender possession cheaply is hugely important. If England had that they could shut a game down and stop their opponents from getting on the ball and working their way back in.  

They are a long way from that level,you could even argue our midfield is closer to it than theirs the way Gilmour, McGregor and McGinn controlled the game at Wembley, (though obviously we need a massive improvement at either end of the park).

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I suspect I know the answer, but in the cases where a host made it to the final of the tournament, has there ever been trouble, let alone the stuff we saw last night?

Maybe it's just because of where we are, but it never really felt like the showpiece final of a major tournament. You expect groups of fans congregating, bit corporate, carnival atmosphere.  Instead we got...whatever that was.  Even though they're complicit, I'd imagine UEFA are fucking raging this morning.

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12 minutes ago, Detournement said:

The "Coming Home" hype around England looks like a noose around their neck now. It's ramped up the pressure on the players, driven the fans insane like the "The Ten" did up here and seems to really piss off Euro fans and teams to the extent that a Scottish/Irish attitude to them getting beat seems quite widespread. 

Bonnuci and Schmeichel were both clearly pissed off by it and the idea that England winning is somehow more important and meaningful than anyone else is only going to motivate all of your opponents making winning more difficult.

Yep, the 'It's Coming Home' stuff works against them and they don't seem to realise it.  On the subject, why did it only start back up at the 2018 WC?  Was it after the won their QF?

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49 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

Is Grealiah not Villa's regular penalty taker?

If so he surely should have taken one

Nope. I don't think he has hit one in a meaningful game.

According to Transfermarkt he ha taken one in a reserve game. Although they don't seem to track shoot out penalties so it is not exhaustive.

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12 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

Chiellini is a God of a player. 

Not just a world class defender and an all-round nice bloke by all accounts (and someone who has a BA in Economics and a Masters in Business administration), but he has the ability to instantly take your mind back to younger days.....the Italian team of the early 80's for instance, where each and every one of their defenders would murder you, your family, and everyone your family has ever spoken to, just to win a throw in. 

The phrase 'throwback to an earlier time' can be overused, but Chiellini is its living embodiment.  The summer of 1982 and the world cup in Spain kept on floating into my head every time I saw him last night...happy days. 

 

Apparently he's a Polymath and is highly intelligent.

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