Jim McLean's Ghost Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 2 hours ago, The Master said: Because offside is based on drawing lines on a calibrated 3D space. Goals (or no goals) are based solely on the pictures. where as the inside of the goal mouth is a 4D hyperbolic cube? On many occassions the position of the ball is the thing that determines offside so if they could accurately track the ball they would be able to tell if it was over the bye line or not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby_F Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 3 hours ago, Billy Jean King said: What's the point. Near two minute review today......no goal. Only half way between the line and the net !!! Shaughnessy is behind the line. His leg is extended forward. His big toe just about touches the front of the line. The ball hits his shin. Bizarre that VAR doesn’t give the goal. Can only think they didn’t have this angle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 15 minutes ago, Jim McLean's Ghost said: where as the inside of the goal mouth is a 4D hyperbolic cube? On many occassions the position of the ball is the thing that determines offside so if they could accurately track the ball they would be able to tell if it was over the bye line or not. They don't "track the ball" for offside. They choose the frame that is (ostensibly) closest to the moment at which the ball was played forward, and draw the lines accordingly. The 3D mapping takes into account parallax when using camera angles that aren't exactly perpendicular to the players (which is the vast majority of the time). You can't apply the same approach to goals because you can't select a frame without first knowing if that frame shows the ball over the line. And so you end up round in circles. You could, I suppose, analyse every frame that might show the ball behind the line. But given how long it takes to do a single offside, you can see the problem there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, Bobby_F said: Shaughnessy is behind the line. His leg is extended forward. His big toe just about touches the front of the line. The ball hits his shin. Bizarre that VAR doesn’t give the goal. Can only think they didn’t have this angle. VAR will have had the angle. If it didn't, it also wouldn't have been available for a replay. This does not categorically show the ball as being over the line. VAR therefore (rightly) allowed the on-field decision to stand. Had a goal been given by the referee, VAR would almost certainly not have overturned that either. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antiochas III Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 Those adament that it's over the line forget what happened during the World Cup, when every man and his dog "knew" the ball went out of play, when it, in fact did not go out of play. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 Couldn't give a toss about VAR, but the SPFL definitely need to introduce NHL style red lights and sirens that go berserk when the ball crosses the goal line. No seizure-inducing flashy lights? No goal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletchers Saucy Manbun Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 9 minutes ago, Boo Khaki said: Couldn't give a toss about VAR, but the SPFL definitely need to introduce NHL style red lights and sirens that go berserk when the ball crosses the goal line. No seizure-inducing flashy lights? No goal. Get those organised 1v1 scraps going as well. Plus referees on rollerblades. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 17 minutes ago, Fletchers Saucy Manbun said: Get those organised 1v1 scraps going as well. Plus referees on rollerblades. Hammond Organ tunes at every stoppage and any time the ball goes out of play. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletchers Saucy Manbun Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 Just now, Boo Khaki said: Hammond Organ tunes at every stoppage and any time the ball goes out of play. Hell yes. And plexiglass along the touchlines. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 10 hours ago, Billy Jean King said: What's the point. Near two minute review today......no goal. Only half way between the line and the net !!! It's not obviously in. Might be, might not be. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 6 hours ago, Bobby_F said: None of this; Shaughnessy is behind the line. His leg is extended forward. His big toe just about touches the front of the line. The ball hits his shin. Necessarily leads to this conclusion; Bizarre that VAR doesn’t give the goal. Can only think they didn’t have this angle. All the points you make can could be true without the full ball being over the line. St Mirren fans need to calm down a bit on this one. It's obvious why it wasn't given. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molotov Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 13 minutes ago, VincentGuerin said: All the points you make can could be true without the full ball being over the line. St Mirren fans need to calm down a bit on this one. It's obvious why it wasn't given. I agree 100% with your assessment. However I would say it’s an absolute certainty that there are two specific teams in Scotland that would be awarded that as a goal by the corrupt officials we have. FTOF. Fcuk the SFA and the SPFL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molotov Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 I understand it would cost circa £250,000 to install goal line technology at each club likely with annual maintenance costs. If we were to advance our league forward we should extract funds from the European prize fund to install such technology in the top flight for all clubs - with money set aside each season for promoted teams. Will this become mandatory in UEFA club tournaments? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 Can't be far away. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 27 minutes ago, Molotov said: I understand it would cost circa £250,000 to install goal line technology at each club likely with annual maintenance costs. If we were to advance our league forward we should extract funds from the European prize fund to install such technology in the top flight for all clubs - with money set aside each season for promoted teams. Will this become mandatory in UEFA club tournaments? 250 grand? Sellotape a Go Pro on the post so it actually looks along the line and jobs a goodun. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molotov Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 21 minutes ago, Salvo Montalbano said: 250 grand? Sellotape a Go Pro on the post so it actually looks along the line and jobs a goodun. Yeah. I think it could be done a lot cheaper. Given the technology available in mass produced cars regards cameras surely it must be possible to mass produce goal posts for elite teams with multiple cameras? It’s likely a FIFA/UEFA financial carve up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 Yeah that still isn’t as conclusive as st Mirren fans seem to think it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 11 hours ago, Billy Jean King said: What's the point. Near two minute review today......no goal. Only half way between the line and the net !!! Everyone on here wouldn't be happy if their team never got a goal for that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Molotov said: I understand it would cost circa £250,000 to install goal line technology at each club likely with annual maintenance costs. If we were to advance our league forward we should extract funds from the European prize fund to install such technology in the top flight for all clubs - with money set aside each season for promoted teams. Will this become mandatory in UEFA club tournaments? How many incidents is there like this a season? The last one I can genuinely remember is the Oli Shaw one for Hibs v Hearts. I would be moaning like f**k if we didn't get that goal but it's not as conclusive as some think. The world cup example being valid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 2 hours ago, VincentGuerin said: All the points you make can could be true without the full ball being over the line. St Mirren fans need to calm down a bit on this one. It's obvious why it wasn't given. You'll be waiting a long time for that to happen 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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