Jacksgranda Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 I don't think this is going to work terribly well, tbqfhwy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 15 minutes ago, bennett said: celtic suddenly agreeing to the introduction of VAR should have set off alarm bells. Oh sorry Sevco, (smirking) the camera angle just isn't clear enough. Rangers had more games on Sky last season than any other club. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 1 minute ago, The Master said: Rangers had more games on Sky last season than any other club. Sky must be bigots? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 5 minutes ago, bennett said: Sky must be bigots? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 I thought this was fairly common knowledge already? On one hand you could argue that for an individual game, it’s the same “level” of VAR for both teams. However, the idea that a game could be decided because it happened to be picked by Sky doesn’t seem right. The obvious solution is to limit VAR to the same six angles from every game, regardless of how many cameras are actually there. Why would you actively choose to use less information than is available? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 15 minutes ago, craigkillie said: Why would you actively choose to use less information than is available? To ensure that VAR is used as consistently as possible across all games. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 To ensure that VAR is used as consistently as possible across all games.Why is that more important than getting decisions right? The entire rhetoric behind VAR is to get as many decisions right as possible so why would you then choose to reduce that chance? Seems like the worst of both worlds. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 1 minute ago, craigkillie said: Why is that more important than getting decisions right? The entire rhetoric behind VAR is to get as many decisions right as possible so why would you then choose to reduce that chance? Seems like the worst of both worlds. I don’t think it should be possible for the outcome of a game to be decided based on Sky having chosen it for live coverage. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 I don’t think it should be possible for the outcome of a game to be decided based on Sky having chosen it for live coverage. The outcome of the game would primarily be decided by what happens on the pitch. What you are saying here is that we should have all of the dreadful inconveniences that VAR brings, but also intentionally hamstring the system so that we have more mistakes than we need to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 1 minute ago, craigkillie said: The outcome of the game would primarily be decided by what happens on the pitch If Sky’s presence is the sole reason for what happens on the pitch being seen and acted upon, it has the potential to decide the outcome of the game. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 Which referee is appointed also has the potential to impact a result, should we also have the same person referee every game just in case? We already have a scenario in the Championship where only televised games have 4th officials and nobody seems to have considered this a problem, even though it's an extra set of eyes who might spot an incident. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 2 hours ago, The Master said: I thought this was fairly common knowledge already? On one hand you could argue that for an individual game, it’s the same “level” of VAR for both teams. However, the idea that a game could be decided because it happened to be picked by Sky doesn’t seem right. The obvious solution is to limit VAR to the same six angles from every game, regardless of how many cameras are actually there. What an absolute fucking farce this is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 To the fucking surprise of no one. Get the fucking blazers along with VAR in the bin. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 42 minutes ago, craigkillie said: Which referee is appointed also has the potential to impact a result, should we also have the same person referee every game just in case? We already have a scenario in the Championship where only televised games have 4th officials and nobody seems to have considered this a problem, even though it's an extra set of eyes who might spot an incident. They should bring it in properly and consistently or not at all (preferably the latter). 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Dons_1988 said: They should bring it in properly and consistently or not at all (preferably the latter). Yip. Of course it's a nonsense if two teams are going to regularly have double the amount of cameras of every other team. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 1 hour ago, craigkillie said: Which referee is appointed also has the potential to impact a result, should we also have the same person referee every game just in case? I wasn’t aware that the choice of referee is dictated by whether or not a game is live on Sky. 1 hour ago, craigkillie said: We already have a scenario in the Championship where only televised games have 4th officials and nobody seems to have considered this a problem, even though it's an extra set of eyes who might spot an incident. That’s because the SPFL choose to request 4th officials for those games. They could quite easily not do so, or request them for all Championship games. Either way, the potential for a game-changing decision via the 4th official has been introduced by the SPFL, not the BBC. The potential for a game-changing decision being picked up by a Sky camera is a direct result of Sky choosing to televise that game. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 Why is a difference in how a game is refereed only considered valid or important to you if it is based on a decision by Sky rather than anyone else? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 7 minutes ago, craigkillie said: Why is a difference in how a game is refereed only considered valid or important to you if it is based on a decision by Sky rather than anyone else? What an odd question. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 SPFL request 4th officials for Championship games on TV but not for the rest - seemingly fine.SPFL/SFA request access to additional cameras for TV games but not for the rest - an affront to fairnessYou can surely therefore see where the question comes from. What is the difference? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 It's not fine that they only have fourth officials for some games btw. It's absolutely shite towards the end of the game when fans have no idea how long's left. I don't understand why they don't just have an official from the home team raise the board for stoppage time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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