Tartan Blood Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 I can't seem to find any decent sources for all time assists charts for Scotland. Maybe I'm just not very good at Google. We go on about goals and lack thereof often, but I'd be interested to know who has a lot of assists for Scotland. In the current set up and historically. For example, Robbo got an extra couple of assists versus Israel, but I don't actually know how many he has in total. If anyone has a decent source, or just wants to chime in, that would be great. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuttonDressedAsLahm Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 (edited) There is some data on WhoScored.com Hanley has 3 cautions, so not sure how updated it is. It has the correct goals for Dykes, but doesn't register an assist for Patterson (both Moldova and Faroe Islands were save/deflections) Edited October 15, 2021 by HuttonDressedAsLahm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 ^More anti Rangers bias 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 I'm sure assists only started getting recorded in the mid-2000s, plus they're a pretty daft stat. For example, Robertson was our most dangerous attacking player for a couple of years but only registered his first assist against the Faroes this year because his crosses weren't being converted. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Blood Posted October 15, 2021 Author Share Posted October 15, 2021 47 minutes ago, HuttonDressedAsLahm said: There is some data on WhoScored.com Hanley has 3 cautions, so not sure how updated it is. It has the correct goals for Dykes, but doesn't register an assist for Patterson (both Moldova and Faroe Islands were save/deflections) Yeah, I checked out this site and it's definitely not up to date. It seems to only show tournament stats as well. So friendlies aren't included either. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Blood Posted October 15, 2021 Author Share Posted October 15, 2021 10 minutes ago, accies1874 said: I'm sure assists only started getting recorded in the mid-2000s, plus they're a pretty daft stat. For example, Robertson was our most dangerous attacking player for a couple of years but only registered his first assist against the Faroes this year because his crosses weren't being converted. I do agree, assist stats can be massively misleading. Like, Fraser put in a wondeful cross for Burke against Cyprus who hit the post and it rebounded back to him before putting it in the net. In that scenario Fraser doesn't get the assist, but quite clearly created the goal. On the other hand, you could have someone make a 3 yard sideways pass and if that player goes on a mazy run and scores, it still counts as an assist. I'm sure plenty of McFadden's goals were like that. Winning penalties is another that I think should be counted as an assist. However, even with its flaws, it's still interesting to look at. Especially if you can see other stats, like chance creation, alongside it. I would never hold a lack of assists against Robbo, especially after the Euros. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Tartan Blood said: I can't seem to find any decent sources for all time assists charts for Scotland. Maybe I'm just not very good at Google. We go on about goals and lack thereof often, but I'd be interested to know who has a lot of assists for Scotland. In the current set up and historically. For example, Robbo got an extra couple of assists versus Israel, but I don't actually know how many he has in total. If anyone has a decent source, or just wants to chime in, that would be great. You'd struggle to get historical information about this because 'assists' have only been a thing for about twenty five minutes. Any attempt to create stats retrospectively would be difficult. Going farther back than when games were routinely filmed, it would need reliance on match reports. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Tartan Blood said: I do agree, assist stats can be massively misleading. Like, Fraser put in a wondeful cross for Burke against Cyprus who hit the post and it rebounded back to him before putting it in the net. In that scenario Fraser doesn't get the assist, but quite clearly created the goal. On the other hand, you could have someone make a 3 yard sideways pass and if that player goes on a mazy run and scores, it still counts as an assist. I'm sure plenty of McFadden's goals were like that. Winning penalties is another that I think should be counted as an assist. However, even with its flaws, it's still interesting to look at. Especially if you can see other stats, like chance creation, alongside it. I would never hold a lack of assists against Robbo, especially after the Euros. You could make the same argument about goals. Someone could score 5 screamers but it counts the same as 5 sclaffs from 3 yard. The thing about statistics is that they even out over time, which is why the best creative players in the world are consistently at the top of the assist charts 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 I do agree, assist stats can be massively misleading. Like, Fraser put in a wondeful cross for Burke against Cyprus who hit the post and it rebounded back to him before putting it in the net. In that scenario Fraser doesn't get the assist, but quite clearly created the goal. On the other hand, you could have someone make a 3 yard sideways pass and if that player goes on a mazy run and scores, it still counts as an assist. I'm sure plenty of McFadden's goals were like that. Winning penalties is another that I think should be counted as an assist. However, even with its flaws, it's still interesting to look at. Especially if you can see other stats, like chance creation, alongside it. I would never hold a lack of assists against Robbo, especially after the Euros. The issue with winning a penalty being counted is it would then be the only scenario where a player can assist and score the same goal. There are other problems but tbh they could apply to assists in general. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velo army Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 Aye I don't rate assists highly at all. It reminds me of Maradona's second goal against England, when Valdano (I think) rolls it to him on half way. Counts as an assist. The player did say years later "he couldn't miss with a pass like that" . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Blood Posted October 15, 2021 Author Share Posted October 15, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Monkey Tennis said: You'd struggle to get historical information about this because 'assists' have only been a thing for about twenty five minutes. Any attempt to create stats retrospectively would be difficult. Going farther back than when games were routinely filmed, it would need reliance on match reports. It should be easy enough to do for the current squad, though. I'm sure there must be detailed stats somewhere. Club football has it down to minute details, I'm sure international will have it as well. Or, someone could watch all the goals the past decade and write it down. Any takers? 1 hour ago, MarkoRaj said: You could make the same argument about goals. Someone could score 5 screamers but it counts the same as 5 sclaffs from 3 yard. The thing about statistics is that they even out over time, which is why the best creative players in the world are consistently at the top of the assist charts You're right, for club football. The most creative players will be paired up with the best finishers. That doesn't necessarily happen with international football. Maloney, for example, was an incredibly creative talent, but he rarely had a supreme finisher to aim at. Chance creation would be a better reflection for Scotland, I think. Edited October 15, 2021 by Tartan Blood 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 13 minutes ago, Tartan Blood said: It should be easy enough to do for the current squad, though. I'm sure there must be detailed stats somewhere. Club football has it down to minute details, I'm sure international will have it as well. Well yeah. That's why I referred explicitly to "historical information". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 OK so for Scotland's last 38 games (since Mexico away), Christie has the most with 6, then Robertson on 4 and Tierney and Fraser with 3. Dykes, O'Donnell and Taylor have two each and a bunch are just on one. You'd imagine 38 games should cover most of the squad's international career but I can't be bothered checking right now. It's a stat that should be pretty straightforward to check and you'd probably be able to find out for the last 15/20 years if you can be bothered looking at all our goals since then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 Just realised (John) McGinn has 2 too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Blood Posted October 15, 2021 Author Share Posted October 15, 2021 4 hours ago, accies1874 said: OK so for Scotland's last 38 games (since Mexico away), Christie has the most with 6, then Robertson on 4 and Tierney and Fraser with 3. Dykes, O'Donnell and Taylor have two each and a bunch are just on one. You'd imagine 38 games should cover most of the squad's international career but I can't be bothered checking right now. It's a stat that should be pretty straightforward to check and you'd probably be able to find out for the last 15/20 years if you can be bothered looking at all our goals since then. Did you look through all the games yourself? If so, that's commitment! Thanks! 38 should cover just about everyone except Robertson, who has 52 caps, I think. Don't worry, I won't make you go back through all his games. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 *coughs in xA* 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 *coughs in xA*Is this available for internationals? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 9 hours ago, accies1874 said: Is this available for internationals? Aye. FWIW WyScout doesn't credit Nathan Patterson with an assist either, been classified as a cross that the defender touched first. World Cup Qualifiers 2022 200 mins played cut off Last Nations League 200 mins played cut off I can work out career totals for players since 2015 but not earlier, but it takes longer as I've to go through them one by one and write it, would be a job for after the Saints game. Andy Robertson credited with 4 assists since 2015 for Scotland. 2 v Israel, 1 v Holland and 1 v the Faroes earlier this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 OK so for Scotland's last 38 games (since Mexico away), Christie has the most with 6, then Robertson on 4 and Tierney and Fraser with 3. Dykes, O'Donnell and Taylor have two each and a bunch are just on one. You'd imagine 38 games should cover most of the squad's international career but I can't be bothered checking right now. It's a stat that should be pretty straightforward to check and you'd probably be able to find out for the last 15/20 years if you can be bothered looking at all our goals since then. Thought I'd have another look at this as we've played four times since that post. Under Clarke (not actually the time period of that post but f**k it) McGinn, Robertson and Tierney all have four now. Armstrong's the only player to make onto more than one since then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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