Detournement Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Todd_is_God said: Just like shutting down society for Covid, it should have been obvious that prolonging this war would have widespread economic consequences. As usual, though, the virtue signalling, bandwagon jumping public blindly followed each in other in demanding both, and are now crying about the impact on their finances. You reap what you sow. The solution, of course, lies in ending the war ASAP, not in escalation that almost certainly will end with Russia launching nuclear weapons when they are on the brink of defeat. I used to think when I read western journalists, foreign policy experts and politicians talking about how the Russian economy is insignificant that it was just propaganda to hoodwink gullible members of the public. It turns out they actually did believe it which is quite scary. Edited July 17, 2022 by Detournement 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 7 hours ago, Newbornbairn said: Middle class w****r inconvenienced, wants working class boys sent to die for his lifestyle. Lucky the working class gather kindling from the woods and coal fallen from trains for their energy needs and so are unaffected. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 8 hours ago, Detournement said: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jul/17/putin-is-already-at-war-with-europe-there-is-only-one-way-to-stop-him Simon Tisdall's Observer column grimly notes that the sanctions he was demanding months ago have crippled Europe. Apparently it's easily solved by going to war with Russia though. Tisdall is now a genuinely unhinged individual. The support by Western liberals for a full on 1950s-era rollback strategy against a nuclear superpower is alarming. Just take the L on your hare-brained response and let the adults back into the room. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 (edited) Lots of talk on twitter that Ukraine will be receiving the 300 km range ATACMS missiles for the HIMARS soon. At that point things get interesting because: Edited July 18, 2022 by LongTimeLurker 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 Zelensky has fired the head of the Ukrainian security service (SBU) and the head of the prosecutors office. One of the reasons given for this is the number of collaboraters particularly in the Southern regions. In the statement it was noted that around 60 employees of the SBU and the prosecutor are currently working for Russia in the occupied areas in the South. Perhaps this is part of the reason why Russia made faster advances in the South at the outset of the war than it did in the North or even in the Donbas. There were lots of different factors behind that as well - terrain, better Russian logistics, Ukrainina forces concentrating on Kyiv etc. It is also noteworthy that even with this the Russian advance in the South was stopped outside Mykoliav. More footage of Russian ammunication stores being destroyed is coming out today. Another strike in Kherson region I also haven't seen it mentioned but there was another horrific missile attack on civilian infrastructure when Russian missiles hit Vinnystia. Footage from the attacks show the bodies of a number of children in the aftermath of the strike, truly awful. These attacks are just becoming routine now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Difficult to overstate how big a step it would be for NATO to provide Ukraine with weaponry that enables them to take pot shots at the Black Sea Fleet's naval base in Sevastopol and the Kerch Bridge. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lofarl Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11028311/Russia-nuke-England-not-harm-Scotland-Wales-say-Putin-propagandists.html Shitebags if they dont. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 The Ukrainians appear to be shifting towards key infrastructure with HIMARS now that the low hanging fruit on ammunition depots have been taken out: There are three major bridges into the Kherson area from Russian occupied territory (two by road over the Dniepr and Inhulets rivers and one by rail over the Dniepr). If those are taken out Russia's hold on that part of Ukraine probably quickly becomes untenable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 Western sanctions finally prove highly effective in bringing down an unpopular regime. Spoiler It's Italy. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/21/italy-far-right-brothers-of-italy-mario-draghi Still, I'm sure that Italy going full-on neofascist is a cost that We All Must Accept as the price of a moronic sanctions policy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 Rumours that an agreement will be signed tomorrow allowing the export of Ukrainian grain. NYT report says that Ukrainian crews will steer the boats out then hand them over to foreign crews who will take the boats to Turkey. Erdogan and his government helped broker the deal. As with all of these deals the potential for it falling apart is high. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lofarl Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 Deals done. Seems odd to me because why would Russia allow for its part Ukraine to sell grain. Which can then be used to buy weapons. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 Think it's a case of NATO giving weapons more than the Ukrainians buying them right now. They've got no chance of capturing Odessa any time soon so it probably all revolves around not getting the blame for famines in certain parts of the Middle East and North Africa over the next year or so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 25 minutes ago, Lofarl said: Deals done. Seems odd to me because why would Russia allow for its part Ukraine to sell grain. Which can then be used to buy weapons. Russia get to export grain and fertiliser via the Black Sea as part of the deal as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 American Switchblade drones have failed to live up to the hype by all accounts but they are sending more of the larger Phoenix Ghost ones along with 4 extra HIMARS vehicles. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve55 Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 5 hours ago, Lofarl said: Deals done. Seems odd to me because why would Russia allow for its part Ukraine to sell grain. Which can then be used to buy weapons. Ukraine aint buying weapons we are paying for it. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 No ATACMS for Ukraine: So the Kerch Bridge is safe for now. Have to wonder if that's linked to the grain deal in some way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 A couple of threads about the rationale behind the grain deal - one theory that it came following pressure from countries closer to Russia. Also that the military defeat at Snake Island and sinking of the Moskva has degraded Russian ability to maintain the blockade. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 15 minutes ago, ICTChris said: one theory that it came following pressure from countries closer to Russia. China especially have a lot of cash invested in countries with food instability it wouldn't be great news for their investment if the populations started starving. Especially when domestically their growth is very poor indeed, although that's mainly down to Zero Covid and a housing crash 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Tattiescone Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62276392 Quote Explosions have rocked a key Ukrainian port just a day after Kyiv and Moscow reached a landmark deal to allow the resumption of grain exports. Two missiles hit the port city of Odesa in the early hours of Saturday morning, Ukraine's military said. Under the terms of Friday's deal, Russia agreed not to target ports while grain shipments are in transit. 16 hours ago, ICTChris said: Russia get to export grain and fertiliser via the Black Sea as part of the deal as well. So this "deal" means they get their exports out but they still stop Ukraine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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