Theroadlesstravelled Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 Elon Musk is a bam. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NathanDrake88 Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 5 hours ago, Priti priti priti Patel said: <br /> Could be the reason for Wallace legging it to DC. Feel a bit sick tbh. Wouldn’t surprise me if there’s a false flag by the west tbh. They’ve got previous 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 Looking likely that Russian troops are going to withdraw from Kherson city. Comments by the head of the collaborator administration and the overall commander of Russian forces in Ukraine suggest it’s likely. An attack on dams in Kherson is also being spoken of. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 Surovikin: “Further actions with respect to Kherson will depend on the emerging military-tactical situation, it is not an easy one, and difficult decisions cannot be ruled out” 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 A detailed article on the Russian military perspective, with no attempt to hide the origin of their new kamikaze drones. by the looks of it. https://iz-ru.translate.goog/1412206/andrei-fedorov-bogdan-stepovoi-anton-lavrov/stoianie-na-dnepre-v-minoborony-ne-iskliuchili-priniatiia-neprostykh-reshenii-pod-khersonom?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 Seems likely that the civilian evacuation will be used as a human shield for retreating Russian forces on the right bank of the Dnipro. How much coercion is being used to force civilians to evacuate its hard to say. A relative of mine is a teacher and has a Ukrainian refugee from Kherson in their class, what a situation for a child to be in, in a foreign county thousands of miles away while you home is fought over. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sergeant Wilson Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 33 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Fucking coward! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 I can't help thinking there's some kind of devious bluff going on here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 He got what he wanted. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 5 hours ago, Theroadlesstravelled said: Elon Musk is a bam. Which points in the article that you clearly read did you disagree with? Perhaps you can start with a reasoned critique of the section below: Quote Warping the debate in this way allows delusional and contradictory thinking to go unchallenged. Thus, we get the argument that Putin is a madman who will kill indiscriminately to achieve his aims—but he is also somehow definitely bluffing about using nuclear weapons. And he's only using that bluff because he's losing the war—but if he's not stopped in Ukraine, he will go on to conquer the rest of Europe. Putin's regime must fall because he has killed or jailed all the liberal reformers and yoked himself to a hardline Far Right, but somehow he will be replaced by a liberal reformer when his regime collapses. It's nonsensical, and a real debate would expose some of the delusions in this thinking. But we aren't allowed to have one. As long as this woke-neocon alliance is allowed to set the terms of the debate, we will continue to see a one-way ratchet toward greater and more dangerous escalation of this conflict. With the exception of using 'woke' when 'liberal' would clearly suffice, it's a sharper analysis than anything the flag-handle Twitter 'sources' populating this thread have churned out over fully eight months. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 30 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I can't help thinking there's some kind of devious bluff going on here. Sharks with frickin laser beams on their heads.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 I suppose they could hold the UN supervised referendums in Poland where much of the electorates have fled to. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 12 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I suppose they could hold the UN supervised referendums in Poland where much of the electorates have fled to. Zelenskyy was happy for proper referendums to be organised and held in return for a ceasefire back in March. That was, of course, before Boris Johnson flew over to have a word, after which he suddenly changed his mind. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Pete Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 There definitely feels like there's a pro war mood being pushed in the media, not only with Ukraine and Russia, but also where Belarus, Iran, China and Taiwan are concerned. The language is all adjusted to the 'us and them' stance we've seen before other conflicts. There's a certain feeling of inevitability that it won't be long until it's 'we need to send troops'. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 My amateur, I’ll informed take is that this is all beginning to get a bit unnerving. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said: Zelenskyy was happy for proper referendums to be organised and held in return for a ceasefire back in March. That was, of course, before Boris Johnson flew over to have a word, after which he suddenly changed his mind. You keep claiming Zelenskyy was offered this and would have accepted but for Boris, but I haven't seen anything to back it up. My understanding is that Putin blocked his negotiators from reaching a deal as a ceasefire would stop him gaining more territory, like Kharkiv and Odessa. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Tattiescone Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 Love the idea that Bumblin' Boris, the second most inept PM in living memory is suddenly the master diplomat capable of deciding the defence policies of foreign countries. The daft c**t probably thought Zelenskey was his plumber. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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