jagfox Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 an explosion at a coke plant killed 10 workers in the East of Ukraine. Apparently US howitzers have been deployed are in use already. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 Vastly different demographic situation. Russia is now a much older country and has less young men to chuck at it.Less young men to chuck at it when they have literally double the population? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 They may take our lives but will never take our tractors.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 2 hours ago, Detournement said: It looks more like Ukraine is going to invade Transnistria to attack the Russian forces there (which is obviously fair enough in a war)... Whoever is operating that crane obviously didn't get the memo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 Russians have been firing a shitload of cruise missiles today. Various explosions in Lviv, Kyiv and around Dnipropetrovsk. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 6 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Whoever is operating that crane obviously didn't get the memo. Why didn't they think of doing that in the East? Build a wall and the USA will pay it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 9 minutes ago, Detournement said: Why didn't they think of doing that in the East? Build a wall and the USA will pay it. Think they've wised up a bit after columns of tanks were caught on camera driving straight through their border posts on their way to cities like Kiev, Kherson and Melitopol on the first day of the war. Wouldn't be surprised if Transnistria gets dealt with before this is all over but the Ukrainians have way too much on their plate in the Donbas right now to be in a position to even think about opening up a new front. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 55 minutes ago, jagfox said: They may take our lives but will never take our tractors.... NSFW spoiler please. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 Power out in Lviv - 2 sub stations hit by Russian missile attack. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cosmic Joe Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 This is like Alloa Athletic v Rangers back in the banter years. Isn't it lads? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMCs Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 3 hours ago, DiegoDiego said: Less young men to chuck at it when they have literally double the population? It doesn't matter how many grannies they have but how many fighting capable men they have. The age split of the population is very different from in 1850. Not to mention that the Ukrainians have a morale advantage. Their young people are much more desperate to fight in their defensive war than Russians are happy to invade Ukraine. 3 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said: Think they've wised up a bit after columns of tanks were caught on camera driving straight through their border posts on their way to cities like Kiev, Kherson and Melitopol on the first day of the war. Wouldn't be surprised if Transnistria gets dealt with before this is all over but the Ukrainians have way too much on their plate in the Donbas right now to be in a position to even think about opening up a new front. From what I've read Transnistra could barely put up a day's fight. The army Russia has there isn't serious in the slightest. It's basically a drunk holiday destination for Russian soldiers. They have no serious equipment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy Blonde Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 The whole Transnistria thing reminds me of early in the conflict when there were reports Belarus was about to enter the fight. Then f**k all happened. In my completely ignorant opinion, I doubt much will happen there until Russia figures out to get their troops there either via air or land bridge - which seems a ways away yet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 It doesn't matter how many grannies they have but how many fighting capable men they have. The age split of the population is very different from in 1850. Not to mention that the Ukrainians have a morale advantage. Their young people are much more desperate to fight in their defensive war than Russians are happy to invade Ukraine.Russia has roughly 33 million men of fighting age. At the time of the Crimean war the Russian Empire had about 38 million males in total. You've got this one badly wrong I'm afraid.The morale advantage is completely irrelevant to the point I was making. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMCs Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 17 minutes ago, DiegoDiego said: Russia has roughly 33 million men of fighting age. At the time of the Crimean war the Russian Empire had about 38 million males in total. You've got this one badly wrong I'm afraid. The morale advantage is completely irrelevant to the point I was making. And what are those figures relative to their respective opponents of the time? That's the real question rather than the raw numbers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 And what are those figures relative to their respective opponents of the time? That's the real question rather than the raw numbers.No it's not. The question is about Russia's tolerance for hundreds of thousands of dead soldiers. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 There have been geolocated shots of Ukrainians in territory near Kharkiv that had been under Russian control since the early war. They weakened the forces for the push around Izyum. It seems Russias lack of manpower mean it still has to concede territory to build enough forces to gain some. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 8 hours ago, DiegoDiego said: 8 hours ago, DMCs said: And what are those figures relative to their respective opponents of the time? That's the real question rather than the raw numbers. No it's not. The question is about Russia's tolerance for hundreds of thousands of dead soldiers. You do not fight modern, mechanised warfare with hundreds of thousands of illiterate peasants as happened in the the Crimean and First World Wars. Battlefields are stunningly lethal. Artillery sorted out the idea of mass assault with poor coordination back in 1916. You have to go in in combined arms with all components functioning and in smaller units move quickly passed strong points, this was the way the Germans (infiltration tactics) and allies (combined arms with supporting tanks and artillery) were finally able to break the deadlock in 1918. Since then no one has succeeded against a serious opponent without them on conventional battlefield. It takes a lot of training to get men to be able to move armour and mechanised infantry in combination with their artillery support. Every component in the Russian full time army has shown significant deficiencies. How they move armour, how the debus mechanised infantry, their artillery they are using to hit entrenched positions (clearly mostly ground bursting not air bursting). Whats more Ukraine is now starting to receive actual decent western kit. Not just some last ditch type stuff like the hand held anti tank weapons. Proper artillery with far better range and accuracy like the M-777 replacing their shonky D-30s. Modern SPGs and even rumours of the M-270 MRLS system. Russia cannot conscript it way out of this mess. It would take months of genuine training to bring it army up to the kind of fitness, training and execution standards we would think of as being bare minimum for this kind of war. Then there are the deficiencies in things like secure radios, night vision kit, first aid and other medical supplies, the widespread use of GPS (well GLONASS) etc. Russia can conscript 33 million men. But they will be walking everywhere, struggling for rifles, have zero chance of coordinating with artillery let alone air to ground (that Russia has truly sucked at) so they will need 33 million body bags and someone to dig the graves at the end of it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 (edited) The Homes for Ukrainian scheme seems to be having some issues https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61311046 In some local authority areas 30% of the applicants are single men over 40, some specifying they want to host single women in their 20s and 30s. Edited May 4, 2022 by ICTChris 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 The Homes for Ukrainian scheme seems to be having some issues https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61311046 In some local authority areas 30% of the applicants are single men over 40, some specifying they want to host single women in their 20s and 30s.The Facebook groups that are causing the issues are not actually part of the scheme but folk are being driven down this route by the time the official route is taking. I've been working on software last couple of weeks for LAs to implement the changes required for HB and CTR and it's a tedious progress. It's probably surprising to no one that it's being used as a cover by those looking to exploit people be it sexually or financially. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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