Billy Jean King Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 If you turn your telly to BBC1 tonight at 6pm you will be told by the state broadcaster that war in Ukraine is driving double digit inflation which will continue for the whole of next year. You will be told this has forced the BoE to increase interest rates. The constant fake news about Ukraine's outlook in the war is to make British consumers feel their economic sacrifice is at least having some sort of positive impact. Who's got the Chemical Ali gif ? Jesus wept man you need to step away from the internet, that's just crazy talk. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hillonearth Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Stringer Bell said: They're taking pelters for it, to be fair. "You were asking for it, Ukraine...look at the way you were dressed..." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 Has a respected charity ever Ratnered themselves like this before? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 (edited) The idea that it's all going swimmingly for Putin and he would have still invaded in February if he'd known Russia would still be fighting in Donbas and retreating on all other fronts, Nord Stream 2 never to be connected, Europe making every move it can to end reliance on Nord Stream 1 and Russian imports in general, and struggling to find sources for the components he needs to replace and maintain his rapidly diminishing military hardware... Edited August 4, 2022 by welshbairn 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Other Foot Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 5 hours ago, Detournement said: If you turn your telly to BBC1 tonight at 6pm you will be told by the state broadcaster that war in Ukraine is driving double digit inflation which will continue for the whole of next year. You will be told this has forced the BoE to increase interest rates. The constant fake news about Ukraine's outlook in the war is to make British consumers feel their economic sacrifice is at least having some sort of positive impact. It’s always the ones with ‘My Team: Scotland’ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 The West's chosen 'good guys' showing their true colours when someone has the temerity to apply objective analysis to their military's antics: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/05/zelenskiy-and-envoys-attack-amnesty-report-on-endangering-civilians-in-russia-crossfire The Amnesty report did not engage in moral equivalence and explicitly highlighted multiple cases of Russian targeting of civilian areas where there were no Ukrainian military present. It also directly condemned the Russian military's conduct since the beginning of the conflict. Yet even this is not enough because Any Scrutiny Of Ukraine Is Now Fascism. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve55 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 11 hours ago, virginton said: The West's chosen 'good guys' showing their true colours when someone has the temerity to apply objective analysis to their military's antics: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/05/zelenskiy-and-envoys-attack-amnesty-report-on-endangering-civilians-in-russia-crossfire The Amnesty report did not engage in moral equivalence and explicitly highlighted multiple cases of Russian targeting of civilian areas where there were no Ukrainian military present. It also directly condemned the Russian military's conduct since the beginning of the conflict. Yet even this is not enough because Any Scrutiny Of Ukraine Is Now Fascism. Correct: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve55 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 Just now, steve55 said: Correct: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Tattiescone Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 Dunno if you've noticed but civilians have been military targets for the Russians since Day One. It's not Ukrainians endangering civilians, it's the Russians who have launched an unprovoked war of aggression and are committing brutal war crimes without hesitation - even rewarding units who raped and murdered their way through Bucha. If the Russians fucked off back into their box, no Ukrainian civilians would be in danger. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 The Ukrainians are defending their homeland, the Russians are invading. Amnesty can do one. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 59 minutes ago, Newbornbairn said: Dunno if you've noticed but civilians have been military targets for the Russians since Day One. It's not Ukrainians endangering civilians, it's the Russians who have launched an unprovoked war of aggression and are committing brutal war crimes without hesitation - even rewarding units who raped and murdered their way through Bucha. If the Russians fucked off back into their box, no Ukrainian civilians would be in danger. Both Ukrainian and Russian forces are deliberately putting civilians at risk of harm, in breach of the humanitarian codes of war. It's really not a difficult concept to grasp, but here we are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, bennett said: The Ukrainians are defending their homeland, the Russians are invading. Amnesty can do one. Why is it necessary to set up in a school or medical centre miles behind the front line, in order to effectively 'defend' their homeland? Be extremely specific. Good to see that Western defence of freedom being exposed as a sham, as soon as a NGO does its job in investigating and reporting violations in a conflict zone. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Tattiescone Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 Whataboutery on a P&B thread? Well I never. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 You can't simultaneously have sympathy for the situation Ukrainse are in and also point out that their acts or omissions are putting people in harms way unnecessarily? Ukraine aren't in a "can do no wrong" situation here. Using your army in a defensive effort doesn't give you carte blanche to do whatever the f**k you want? Wer surely not suggesting that are we? Because even without knowing about the specifics of what was said, that's once again, the absolute Facebook Maw style flavour I am getting here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, Newbornbairn said: Whataboutery on a P&B thread? Well I never. Yep, your mewling about Amnesty's report without addressing any of the clear violations flagged by it is indeed a textbook example of that. Have you even read the report? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 If the Ukrainians are defending urban areas then they're obviously going to place forces there, all Amnesty have done is given the Russians an excuse to continue targeting civilians. Obviously I'm not a qualified clever person like V.kington. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, bennett said: If the Ukrainians are defending urban areas then they're obviously going to place forces there, What, because urban areas are universally comprised of school, medical centre; medical centre, school aye? Have you ever been to a city before M8? Quote all Amnesty have done is given the Russians an excuse to continue targeting civilians. No, all Amnesty have done is to report violations of the humanitatian code of war. It has reported substantial violations on the Russian side; and it has also now reported verifiable breaches on the Ukrainian side. They do not cancel each other out. So what is your actual problem with a highly respected NGO doing its job? Quote Obviously I'm not a qualified clever person like V.kington. You're certainly not clever enough to dispute any of the factual arguments made by Amnesty chump. And you're not even clever enough to avoid making a complete fool of yourself on here. I'd stop digging if I were you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 (edited) Aye they should just remove their forces and allow the Russians to take the areas uncontested. Edited August 6, 2022 by bennett 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Tattiescone Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, bennett said: Aye they should just remove their forces and allow the Russians to take the areas uncontested. Which is what VT, HB and the usual suspects have been saying from the start. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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