ekok Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Why isn't everyone as knowledgeable, reasonable and forward thinking as you Asim. Seriously you have restored my faith , maybe just maybe we will get this right -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 26 minutes ago, ekok said: For example how do we end up last seaon with a top division final table with 4 teams below team 6 having more points/ better goal difference than they do ? Seriously? Are you saying you don't understand why teams who play weaker teams end up with more points than teams who play stronger teams? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowdenbeath Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 8 minutes ago, Ranaldo Bairn said: Are you saying you don't understand why teams who play weaker teams end up with more points than teams who play stronger teams? He’s probably asking more on why they have a split surely? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 16 minutes ago, ekok said: Why isn't everyone as knowledgeable, reasonable and forward thinking as you Asim. That's like asking Ricki Lamie why everyone isn't as handsome as him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 41 minutes ago, cowdenbeath said: He’s probably asking more on why they have a split surely? Another question that has been answered many times. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowdenbeath Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 7 minutes ago, Ranaldo Bairn said: Another question that has been answered many times. I know that and you know that but some folk obviously don’t. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John S Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Scottish Cup replays done away with from round 1 this season 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekok Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Just now, cowdenbeath said: I know that and you know that but some folk obviously don’t. Taking the bait, I know fine well why, it doesn't make it any less nonsensical. Sorry but a typical acceptance of a mind boggling arrangement to try to square what is clearly created by a spurious set up in the first place. There are numerous ways to organise a fair, even handed and transparent League competition. We fail on all counts with SPFL. The annual moanfest about fixtures is proof. How about enough teams to play each other , once at home and once away. Will never catch on. Like they do in England, France, Netherlands ( ) Spain , Brazil , Italy and just about anywhere I can think of, probably even Mars. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 How about enough teams to play each other , once at home and once away. Will never catch on. Like they do in England, France, Netherlands ( [emoji16] ) Spain , Brazil , Italy and just about anywhere I can think of, probably even Mars. You've not really thought very hard, the majority of countries with populations similar to Scotland have small top flights where clubs play more than once home and away. You can't expect Scotland to have the same system as countries with ten times the population. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowdenbeath Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 9 hours ago, ekok said: Taking the bait, I know fine well why, it doesn't make it any less nonsensical. Sorry but a typical acceptance of a mind boggling arrangement to try to square what is clearly created by a spurious set up in the first place. There are numerous ways to organise a fair, even handed and transparent League competition. We fail on all counts with SPFL. The annual moanfest about fixtures is proof. How about enough teams to play each other , once at home and once away. Will never catch on. Like they do in England, France, Netherlands ( ) Spain , Brazil , Italy and just about anywhere I can think of, probably even Mars. The SPFL and Scottish football is set up for the benefit of 2 clubs always has been. Do I agree with that? No. One of the things the LL has got right is just playing each other twice. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyramid Watcher Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 10 hours ago, DiegoDiego said: You've not really thought very hard, the majority of countries with populations similar to Scotland have small top flights where clubs play more than once home and away. You can't expect Scotland to have the same system as countries with ten times the population. Like any good pyramid you need to start from the bottom, and that would mean increasing the number of teams in Div 2, after that it can start to filter up the way. Yes, it may take several years, but we need to start doing something differently. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 On 12/08/2022 at 09:28, ekok said: His stats back up the contention that B teams help the development of younger players. I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that neither of you have any idea about Statistics. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annan4eva Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 14 hours ago, John S said: Scottish Cup replays done away with from round 1 this season Absolute sense 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekok Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 Just now, Gordon EF said: I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that neither of you have any idea about Statistics. Aye, lies, damned lies and statistics. Wasn't meant to be a PHD treatise, just that in one game for one team, a significant ( 4 I think) number of players had B team exposure when developing. Our mens A team are non too shy as regards Performance School graduates, rightly so, it is an Indication they help. Appreciate there are reams of numbers and opinions on this topic. I go back to my argument, that if they were of no value, why do clubs persist ? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, ekok said: Appreciate there are reams of numbers and opinions on this topic. I go back to my argument, that if they were of no value, why do clubs persist ? An obvious one would be that it is beneficial to the clubs, not neccesarily to the overall development of young players. Are we really saying that big clubs don't do anything unless it's beneficial to a nation's youth development? 1) It helps bigger clubs attract more and better young talent that's already out there. Why go to this club who don't have a B team when you can come and play in ours? 2) They think they can hang on to players longer so they won't miss late developers. Celtic's thinking, for example, might be, they'd have kept someone like Andy Robertson for longer if they could have just shoved him in a B team. 3) They might get money for players who don't make the cut. Currently, youth players are generally just released and get picked up by smaller clubs. Keep them around in a B team for a bit longer and you might get some money for them. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevsmart Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 18 hours ago, ekok said: .A five year old with a pencil and a blank piece of paper could come up with a more coherent structure. For example how do we end up last seaon with a top division final table with 4 teams below team 6 having more points/ better goal difference than they do ? Seriously? For example. How come the teams that finish last in SPFL2 get a get out of jail play off ( insult to injury they always get second leg at home. Sporting integrity, seriously?). I would be happy to stand corrected if this happens anywhere else on the planet. Seriously? For example, the logjam from Tier 6 to 5 needs addressing, 100% guarantee sorting Team 42 debacle is the key. Have said my piece, hope we can get a structure our national passion deserves. The bottom 2 in SPFL2 should be automatically relegated with both LL & HL champions being promoted 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnmc80 Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 On 12/08/2022 at 10:16, Ranaldo Bairn said: Oh Christ, here's another one with clueless hot takes about B teams. I wonder if @Martenwould like to comment on the Netherlands situation (again). Please god no!!!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amigan Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 2 hours ago, kevsmart said: The bottom 2 in SPFL2 should be automatically relegated with both LL & HL champions being promoted Wouldn't that ultimately lead to a bit of an imbalanced league? Less northern teams to be relegated and one guaranteed to go up every year. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevsmart Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 44 minutes ago, amigan said: Wouldn't that ultimately lead to a bit of an imbalanced league? Less northern teams to be relegated and one guaranteed to go up every year. Possibly. At the moment it's 8-2 split in League 2 for the Lowland League 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 Think a case could still be made for some kind of playoff involving the loser of an HL vs LL champions game to replace an automatic slot for 10th in League Two, 2nd placed clubs in both leagues and 9th placed club in League Two. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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