Burnieman Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 1 minute ago, Cannibal said: Then the league should remove the rules from this page https://slfl.co.uk/legal/slfl-rules-regulations/ which include rule B1 stating three temporary clubs can be admitted. "All clubs must, on the Completion Date, be licensed, full members of the Scottish FA. The maximum number of clubs will normally be sixteen (16) but may be increased temporarily to a maximum of nineteen (19) at the sole discretion of the Board." It doesn't require amendment, it was written when Rangers B were also members but now there's only two. If others join the rule would be amended to accomodate. However bottom line, there's is no rule stating how many guest teams are allowed and at the moment there's only two, so 4th place won't be getting crowned Champions anytime soon in the unlikely event of all B teams filling the top spots. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverarover Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 13 hours ago, Cannibal said: Somewhat amazed people are struggling with what I said. The scottish football league system has existed for over a century. Perhaps you all could explain why a league that allows B teams to play in it and actively impedes superior teams from below being promoted to it should be given automatic promotion to that league. The pyramid system should see each tier containing teams which are 'better' than the ones below. The onus is on those outside the league to show they are at least attempting to achieve this. This is blindingly obvious to most people even without explanation. Some of those lower league teams don't meet the standards to get into the SPFL structure. Some prefer to sty as they are. It's not the leagues fault teams make this decision. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shannon Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 (edited) I think the point that is clearly trying to be made that if or when likes of Broomhill, Gala, Civil Service Strollers are eventually replaced by Clydebank, Talbot, Pollok and Penicuik etc then Lowland League will be far stronger for it. If was 18 teams with no B teams then that would again be an even stronger Lowland league with a far stronger argument for automatic relegation from SPFL Two but it could take at least another 5 years for this to happen if it ever does. The Highland League has 18 permanent teams so no reason why Lowland League can't have the same other than "rules". Edited August 18 by Shannon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverarover Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 54 minutes ago, GordonS said: Starting to look like the European Super League. They nearly got 2 Champions League places for "historic" clubs that missed qualification in this round of changes, I'm sure it'll come back. Broomhil should be expelled from the Lowland League and their place offered to Beith, even though Beith aren't licensed and they gubbed them in the Scottish Cup, because "bigness". And doesn't tier 5 need a strong Gartcairn? Gartcairn aren't exactly doing great so far in the top junior league. If you think Spartans is a public park. Gartcairn is a sports centre pitch with a big net round it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden Cowboy Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 3 hours ago, Burnieman said: I've laid out as simply as I can why the case has already been made, the LL has already provided the SPFL with 4 clubs. the HL has provided one club. Between them they've relegated 5 SPFL clubs who weren't good enough for that level. Prior to the Pyramid, these clubs would have trundled along, protected by the SFL. What part of that is evidence free? what part of that doesn't underline that auto promotion should now be implemented or that the LL has not presented it's best clubs, and won. Take your time. The fact that almost as often the bottom team in the SPFL won the play off 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannibal Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 7 hours ago, Burnieman said: "All clubs must, on the Completion Date, be licensed, full members of the Scottish FA. The maximum number of clubs will normally be sixteen (16) but may be increased temporarily to a maximum of nineteen (19) at the sole discretion of the Board." It doesn't require amendment, it was written when Rangers B were also members but now there's only two. If others join the rule would be amended to accomodate. However bottom line, there's is no rule stating how many guest teams are allowed and at the moment there's only two, so 4th place won't be getting crowned Champions anytime soon in the unlikely event of all B teams filling the top spots. So precisely as I said, the rules of the league permit a team with the fourth highest points total to be crowned 'Champions' and be put forward for promotion. You seem to be suggesting the league would happily amend their rules to accommodate more 'guest clubs' meaning the 'Champions' could be a team finishing even lower. And I get pages of slaggings for saying this league needs to sort itself out 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 9 hours ago, Deanburn Dave said: Remember folks........you will never win an argument with an idiot. The End . (hopefully) Lesson learned 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Absolute Imposter Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 8 hours ago, Cowden Cowboy said: The fact that almost as often the bottom team in the SPFL won the play off And that's usually when the tier 5 team was EK. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinburghBlue Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 14 hours ago, rockson said: 6 is also wrong. They can't expand beyond 16 clubs (excluding B teams) because the SFA prevents that. Someone should tell the SFA that they actually have 18 clubs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Absolute Imposter Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 21 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said: Someone should tell the SFA that they actually have 18 clubs. The b teams aren't there. They are just a figment of our imagination. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
To B or not B Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 1 hour ago, EdinburghBlue said: Someone should tell the SFA that they actually have 18 clubs. 16 members and 2 guests. As explained numerous times in here the SFA will not let the league go beyond 16 members. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shannon Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 29 minutes ago, To B or not B said: 16 members and 2 guests. As explained numerous times in here the SFA will not let the league go beyond 16 members. They should really have the same rules as Highland League and get them to go to 16 teams as well or let Lowland League have 18 permanent members if they so wish. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannibal Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 30 minutes ago, To B or not B said: 16 members and 2 guests. As explained numerous times in here the SFA will not let the league go beyond 16 members. Actually it would be helpful to see some evidence the LL wanted to expand the number of members but were stopped by the SFA. I was unable to find when that happened 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 1 minute ago, Shannon said: They should really have the same rules as Highland League and get them to go to 16 teams as well or let Lowland League have 18 permanent members if they so wish. Going to 18 clubs means another 2 clubs with full voting rights (SFA members at tier 6 and below do not have voting rights unless they are legacy clubs) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzler Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 1 minute ago, Shannon said: They should really have the same rules as Highland League and get them to go to 16 teams as well or let Lowland League have 18 permanent members if they so wish. agree with this, why is the LL set at 16 when the HL is 18? surely that would be a pretty easy fix also 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyro Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 Just now, bobbydazzler said: agree with this, why is the LL set at 16 when the HL is 18? surely that would be a pretty easy fix also 1 minute ago, Burnieman said: unless they are legacy clubs The Highland League clubs got a let off as they were already tier 5 when things got restructured 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amnarab Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 How much does it cost to run a B team? 50k to Lowland League (each season or one off?). Cost of hiring a ground, wages, subscription costs. The pathway for a young B team player might appear wasted when they get released and end actually playing at Tier 5 or Tier 6 levels in their 20s. Would a better solution not be to loan their 18 year old best prospects to Tier 5 and Tier 6? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted August 19 Author Share Posted August 19 12 minutes ago, Cannibal said: Actually it would be helpful to see some evidence the LL wanted to expand the number of members but were stopped by the SFA. I was unable to find when that happened Cowdenbeath when putting their statement on B teams for this season mentioned it. In one of the podcast appearances in the past that the LL Chair did. One of the questions asked was along the lines of "why not use the B team spaces for proper clubs" and the response was that the SFA wouldn't allow them to expand beyond 16. They were only allowed a special dispensation to go to 17 due to COVID and had to get back to 16. Unless you're involved with a club or the SFA. I'm not sure what evidence you would expect to have access to other than interviews and statements. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 (edited) Life hack. If your wife isn't happy about you seeing other women, simply explain to her that these are "guest" wives and are removed from consideration at the end of the season. Edited August 19 by Gordon EF 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
To B or not B Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 (edited) 1 hour ago, FairWeatherFan said: Cowdenbeath when putting their statement on B teams for this season mentioned it. In one of the podcast appearances in the past that the LL Chair did. One of the questions asked was along the lines of "why not use the B team spaces for proper clubs" and the response was that the SFA wouldn't allow them to expand beyond 16. They were only allowed a special dispensation to go to 17 due to COVID and had to get back to 16. Unless you're involved with a club or the SFA. I'm not sure what evidence you would expect to have access to other than interviews and statements. I’m also pretty sure it would have been minuted at one of the LL general meetings. Edited August 19 by To B or not B 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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