Homer Thompson Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 http://scottishleagu....php?f=2&t=3860 thats a belter...for anyone harbouring any doubts please look at this & ask yourselves if the unthinkable happenned & you did get to the SPL..would your average be closer to hamilton or gretna. Are you seriously trying to suggest that our crowds in the SPL would be the same as they are in the second division? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
distresseduke Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Are you seriously trying to suggest that our crowds in the SPL would be the same as they are in the second division? no... im suggesting that the many on here who are debating if falkirk are a bigger club ask themselves if they would get near our average SPL attendance (in the granted hugely unlikely scenario that queens make it to the SPL)..the obvious answer to which is no...i`ll be generous & suggest you may get within 500 of hamiltons 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmy_cammy Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 I don't think anyone is arguing that Falkirk are a bigger club than Queens. More are they bigger enough to entice our manager away, when he will clearly draw the intention of far bigger teams than Falkirk if he continues as he is. As an aside, interesting to note Hamilton are now considered some sort of benchmark. Congratulations to all involved. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sloop John B Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 (edited) no... im suggesting that the many on here who are debating if falkirk are a bigger club ask themselves if they would get near our average SPL attendance (in the granted hugely unlikely scenario that queens make it to the SPL)..the obvious answer to which is no...i`ll be generous & suggest you may get within 500 of hamiltons are Falkirk as likely to get back to the SPL? Edited March 12, 2013 by Sloop John B 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Thompson Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 no... im suggesting that the many on here who are debating if falkirk are a bigger club ask themselves if they would get near our average SPL attendance (in the granted hugely unlikely scenario that queens make it to the SPL)..the obvious answer to which is no...i`ll be generous & suggest you may get within 500 of hamiltons The obvious flaw, although there are many others, in your logic is that Falkirk arent in the SPL and havent been for 3 seasons and counting. Next season Falkirk will be a mid-table first division side. The point Queens fans are making is that, if Johnston were to stay, mid table would be a more than realistic expectation for next season. Therefore, Falkirk, while historically a bigger club, are not that much of a step up at this moment in time. And your "generous" suggestion that we'd average 2000 in the SPL is quite clearly nonsense. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRS LEFT PEG Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Sorry to dissapoint you but Falkirk are not a big side. Nothing like it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wee_bairn Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 (edited) Sorry to dissapoint you but Falkirk are not a big side. Nothing like itYou may well be correct but sadly that isn't the current debate JRS RIGHT PEG. Falkirk are, however, a bigger side than Queen of the South. I heard Johnston applied for the Falkirk job before Pressley was announced as manager of Coventry City - Johnston is desperate for a chance to take a team into the SPL and more importantly Europa League football next season. Edited March 12, 2013 by wee_bairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
distresseduke Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Sorry to dissapoint you but Falkirk are not a big side. Nothing like it but since everything is comparitive then compared to your lot we are... twice the size going by...well.. since your not interested in hypothetical scenarios showing us both at our peak support then how about this years average attendances..where you have had one of your best seasons in recent years & we have had our worst for over ten years.... over 15 games you have averaged 1564....over 13 games we have averaged 2922 (stats from football 365.com)...but hey dont let the facts get in the way...if you want to believe we are not big compared to you the fine 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sloop John B Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 (edited) Crowd wankery isn't that relevant, you're a first division team with a team of kids and Lyle Taylor. Where can Johnston take that team when the wolves circle round to steal his best players? Going to that job for one or two places higher (3rd or 4th is the ceiling) isn't worth it. Edited March 12, 2013 by Sloop John B 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallo_Madrid Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 (edited) but since everything is comparitive then compared to your lot we are... twice the size going by...well.. since your not interested in hypothetical scenarios showing us both at our peak support then how about this years average attendances..where you have had one of your best seasons in recent years & we have had our worst for over ten years.... over 15 games you have averaged 1564....over 13 games we have averaged 2922 (stats from football 365.com)...but hey dont let the facts get in the way...if you want to believe we are not big compared to you the fine Fancy...using...full...stops? Edited March 12, 2013 by Cyber_soccer 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Thompson Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 but since everything is comparitive then compared to your lot we are... twice the size going by...well.. since your not interested in hypothetical scenarios showing us both at our peak support then how about this years average attendances..where you have had one of your best seasons in recent years & we have had our worst for over ten years.... over 15 games you have averaged 1564....over 13 games we have averaged 2922 (stats from football 365.com)...but hey dont let the facts get in the way...if you want to believe we are not big compared to you the fine Uh-huh. And what are the figures for away fans in those crowds? Highest away attendance this season at Palmerston has been 90odd. Id be amazed if the lowest away crowd at New Brockville was anywhere near that low. We might be having a good season but its in a league below Falkirk and comes on the back of an horrific season under McPherson. Again, no-one is saying Falkirk arent a bigger club. They clearly are. However, at the current time, they are not a significant step up in managerial terms and I'd certainly be disappointed if Johnston wasnt aiming his sights considerably higher. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRubberFist Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Trading Queens for Falkirk is like trading a Rover 200 for a Rover 200 with a walnut gearknob. If it makes you feel better, then yes: one is better than t'other. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Uh-huh. And what are the figures for away fans in those crowds? Highest away attendance this season at Palmerston has been 90odd. Id be amazed if the lowest away crowd at New Brockville was anywhere near that low. We might be having a good season but its in a league below Falkirk and comes on the back of an horrific season under McPherson. Again, no-one is saying Falkirk arent a bigger club. They clearly are. However, at the current time, they are not a significant step up in managerial terms and I'd certainly be disappointed if Johnston wasnt aiming his sights considerably higher. As I've said on the Falkirk thread, We've already beaten teams in the SPL1, ONE WHICH IS IN FACT TOP. So why would our manager want to take a step backwards in standards? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRS LEFT PEG Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 but since everything is comparitive then compared to your lot we are... twice the size going by...well.. since your not interested in hypothetical scenarios showing us both at our peak support then how about this years average attendances..where you have had one of your best seasons in recent years & we have had our worst for over ten years.... over 15 games you have averaged 1564....over 13 games we have averaged 2922 (stats from football 365.com)...but hey dont let the facts get in the way...if you want to believe we are not big compared to you the fine At least we all agree Falkirk are not a big side but yes, maybe a little bigger than us . Well then smart arse . Have you taken into account that the average away support to visit Palmerston is about fifty and only about 700 away fans have passed the Palmerston gates this season in total ? Thistle would bring that in one match to you and that beefs up your average. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liviqos Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 (edited) At least we all agree Falkirk are not a big side but yes, maybe a little bigger than us . Well then smart arse . Have you taken into account that the average away support to visit Palmerston is about fifty and only about 700 away fans have passed the Palmerston gates this season in total ? Thistle would bring that in one match to you and that beefs up your average. Queens could quite easily match Falkirk's crowds if they were to show ambition by challenging to play in the SPL. Dumfries folks don't take the club seriously because it has been more than 40 years since the town has produced a top division side. Also many fans have been chased away from home games due to the Rangers vote last season, with many of us going to away games only. Another thing, our location plays havoc with our average attendances. So there! Edited March 12, 2013 by liviqos 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Queens could quite easily match Falkirk's crowds if they were to show ambition by challenging to play in the SPL. What form would you suggest this 'ambition' take? I'm intrigued. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Trading Queens for Falkirk is like trading a Rover 200 for a Rover 200 with a walnut gearknob. I'm not driving a Mini-Metro. I'm not driving a Mini-Metro. I'm not driving a Mini-Metro. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sloop John B Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Do people actually boycott us? Surely not that many do. Is traveling to Dumfries that awful almost the entirety is motorway or by Train. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sloop John B Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 What form would you suggest this 'ambition' take? I'm intrigued. It'll be an adoptment of the Masterton school of economics. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liviqos Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 What form would you suggest this 'ambition' take? I'm intrigued. Let's take a deeper intake of the situation and look at what is happening, Walking over part-time teams in a League full of nobodies just does not inspire floating fans to take a look at tiddly teams such as Albion Rovers, Forfar Athletic, Stranraer or Stenhousemuir. To see these clubs come to the town with such consistent frequency simply does not excite most of the townsfolk to leave the comfort of their homes or bookies to sit/stand and watch such drab stuff on the pitch. Even if Queens do reach the challenging places for a rise to the top League, it might take more than one attempt at promotion to entice the local populace to start showing a tad more endeavour or tolerance to what is now happening at Palmerston. I can't get myself up for a visit from East Fife or Brechin City and I'm almost certain that is one of the main reasons that no one really takes that much interest by posting their presence at home matches. I know that some posters on here will want to crucify me for posting what I see as one of the main factors for low attendances, but this is certainly why I do not attend as much as I should, the price is another reason, but that is starting to stray away from what is really the main problem. Taking Queens seriously is what we should be working on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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