Antlion Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 18 minutes ago, Johnny Martin said: What have I not acknowledged? I try to cover everything. I do see it as them as inheriting a country, but they then delegate power to Parliament and take a back seat. This is far more than inheriting mere national office or influence. It is indeed nearly 2023, and like I previously said, we now believe in tolerance rather than jealousy and bitterness. I ask you to take that on board, please. Whataboutery isn't something I engage in, and your KKK analogy is as weak as it is poor. Anyway, agree to disagree? (This time for real? ) You refused to acknowledge the extent by which the late Elizabeth Windsor profited financially (to the tune of millions) in a way unprecedented by her predecessors. Did you not know she was a grasping, money-grubbing piece of excrement - or did you just not mind? I’d ask you to take on board reality - not fantasy, nor even “how you see it”. You’re simply wrong. Your medieval fetishes of the idea of monarchy notwithstanding, legally the monarch does not “inherit a country”. The law and constitution do no support this fantasy. The cringing, sycophantic, childish fairytale notion of a king inheriting a country has never really been true. I’m amazed to hear someone claiming to believe it. Trying to justify the corrupt Windsor clan supposedly inheriting a country (which, as I’ve pointed out, they don’t) by pointing to private citizens inheriting private wealth or property was textbook whataboutery, so obviously you do engage in it - just not skilfully. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Martin Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 8 hours ago, Antlion said: You refused to acknowledge the extent by which the late Elizabeth Windsor profited financially (to the tune of millions) in a way unprecedented by her predecessors. Did you not know she was a grasping, money-grubbing piece of excrement - or did you just not mind? I’d ask you to take on board reality - not fantasy, nor even “how you see it”. You’re simply wrong. Your medieval fetishes of the idea of monarchy notwithstanding, legally the monarch does not “inherit a country”. The law and constitution do no support this fantasy. The cringing, sycophantic, childish fairytale notion of a king inheriting a country has never really been true. I’m amazed to hear someone claiming to believe it. Trying to justify the corrupt Windsor clan supposedly inheriting a country (which, as I’ve pointed out, they don’t) by pointing to private citizens inheriting private wealth or property was textbook whataboutery, so obviously you do engage in it - just not skilfully. I've already stated that I don't see it as profiting when you take her unique circumstance into account, which you don't want to do. You either misunderstand what whataboutery actually is, or the motive behind my mentioning of inheritance. Anyway, agree to disagree? This is getting a bit nasty now. I don't want to end up in a slagging match. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 6 minutes ago, Johnny Martin said: I've already stated that I don't see it as profiting when you take her unique circumstance into account, which you don't want to do. You either misunderstand what whataboutery actually is, or the motive behind my mentioning of inheritance. Anyway, agree to disagree? This is getting a bit nasty now. I don't want to end up in a slagging match. Then you’re wilfully not seeing a fact: she literally profited by earning and saving money (to the tune of hundreds of millions) in ways none of her predecessors did. When the old boot finally departed for pastures hotter, she left a greater fortune than she began her reign with. Her circumstances were not “unique”. George VI, Edward VII, Victoria I - all occupied these positions without profiting - increasing their private wealth by virtue of clandestine business practices and operations secured by their roles - as the venal spiv Elizabeth Windsor did. Whataboutery is the practice of trying to derail debate of an issue by raising another: for example, you tried to derail discussion of the royals, in the public sphere, using their bloodline-derived access to privileged constitutional and elevated social positions, by raising the issue of private citizens on this forum maybe inheriting private wealth or property from their parents. No one’s wearing it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Martin Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 11 hours ago, Antlion said: Then you’re wilfully not seeing a fact: she literally profited by earning and saving money (to the tune of hundreds of millions) in ways none of her predecessors did. When the old boot finally departed for pastures hotter, she left a greater fortune than she began her reign with. Her circumstances were not “unique”. George VI, Edward VII, Victoria I - all occupied these positions without profiting - increasing their private wealth by virtue of clandestine business practices and operations secured by their roles - as the venal spiv Elizabeth Windsor did. Whataboutery is the practice of trying to derail debate of an issue by raising another: for example, you tried to derail discussion of the royals, in the public sphere, using their bloodline-derived access to privileged constitutional and elevated social positions, by raising the issue of private citizens on this forum maybe inheriting private wealth or property from their parents. No one’s wearing it. Your lack of knowledge, as well as inability to understand the points presented to you and use of foul, bitter and nasty language, have left me with no other option but to cease communications. Have a good day. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 42 minutes ago, Johnny Martin said: Your lack of knowledge, as well as inability to understand the points presented to you and use of foul, bitter and nasty language, have left me with no other option but to cease communications. Have a good day. I have to admit, the easy way out of defending or justifying the aristocracy, which you’ve been desperately trying to take (for several posts) took you longer than I expected it would - but it does achieve your ongoing goal of still not acknowledging any of the facts about monarchy presented to you, I suppose - just in a more embarrassing, transparent way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 10 minutes ago, Clown Job said: Man whose very existence will be celebrated at a massive party that tells everyone how great he is, favours massive party that tells everyone how great he is. Shocked. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 18 minutes ago, Salt n Vinegar said: Man whose very existence will be celebrated at a massive party that tells everyone how great he is, favours massive party that tells everyone how great he is. Shocked. With respect, I think you're wrong there. I am certainly no royalist, far from it, but this has the paws of a desperate, truly desperate Tory Government written all over it. Read the piece carefully and what emerges is that any and every attempt is being made to deflect from the utter disaster that is Brexit. I mean, they are not even trying to disguise it, as it is being run in the Telegraph, the Tory Party house journal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 The thick Tory voters who can barely afford to heat their house or feed themselves will still lap this shite up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 "We've looked at the numbers and done a whole pile of focus groups and polling. I'm sorry your majesty but the only way to save the country and by that we mean the election is to have another state funeral." 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aDONisSheep Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 On 18/12/2022 at 11:19, Johnny Martin said: That's not how I see it Ant. I don't see them as being elevated or profiting, but being born into unique positions where they serve their country for life. Many on this board will have benefited from inheritances from their parents. The difference with the Royals, is that they're getting a country. I would say not paying inheritance tax on the estate is a differentiator, but that's probably just me... Oh and very few people inherit the right to get 'saved' as part of a national anthem. Oh, oh and very few inherit a publicly funded cunty boat. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 On 22/12/2022 at 13:47, O'Kelly Isley III said: With respect, I think you're wrong there. I am certainly no royalist, far from it, but this has the paws of a desperate, truly desperate Tory Government written all over it. Read the piece carefully and what emerges is that any and every attempt is being made to deflect from the utter disaster that is Brexit. I mean, they are not even trying to disguise it, as it is being run in the Telegraph, the Tory Party house journal. Charlie is as entitled as they come, too, though. It’s been reported for a while from the usual leaks that he has privately insisted that he wants to “downsize” the monarchy only as long as there is absolutely no effect on his own household and perks. A bunch of Tory crooks desperate to deflect from their own failings, and a self-aggrandising, thick-as-f**k con-artist whose massive ego they’re willing to make use of for publicly funded spectacle: a match made in hell. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 (edited) Some people have a strange way of spending Xmas. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/royal-family-charles-christmas-sandringham-b2251283.html ETA. I realise the irony of posting this on Xmas day. Edited December 25, 2022 by Suspect Device 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Suspect Device said: Some people have a strange way of spending Xmas. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/royal-family-charles-christmas-sandringham-b2251283.html ETA. I realise the irony of posting this on Xmas day. "Wellwishers camp..." Very appropriate opening two words of a headline, imho... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugster Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64170469 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Rugster said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64170469 That really is a nothing story. Mush like the rest of the Meghan pish that is diverting the plebs' attention from more important things. ETA. This made me laugh though. Edited January 5, 2023 by Suspect Device 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 All this wind and piss really brings home the importance of continuing with the royal family as our divinely authorised heads of state for generations to come. Who could possibly doubt the example they set to us, lowly commoners that we are. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, Salt n Vinegar said: All this wind and piss really brings home the importance of continuing with the royal family as our divinely authorised heads of state for generations to come. Who could possibly doubt the example they set to us, lowly commoners that we are. Good that you know your place! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 What pisses me off is the "one drip at a time" nature of the revelations - this is never gonna end. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 Harry would quite clearly batter William with ease in a fight. Maybe he'd have stood up for himself more if he hadn't been life-coached into a complete shell of a person. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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