accies1874 Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 3 hours ago, No_Problemo said: He was bad last night, but I wouldn’t say it is fair to say he has been bad throughout all of his Europa League performances - there have been some good moments at times. He also played well against Leicester. He's had a couple of OK moments where he's burst past a left-back and fired in a cross to no one. I don't want to be down on an 18-year-old, especially one as promising as him, but I'm just not buying into Doakmania yet in the same way that I did with Gilmour. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Problemo Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 16 minutes ago, accies1874 said: He's had a couple of OK moments where he's burst past a left-back and fired in a cross to no one. I don't want to be down on an 18-year-old, especially one as promising as him, but I'm just not buying into Doakmania yet in the same way that I did with Gilmour. Probably fair enough in Europe, but he offered more than that against Leicester. His Scotland 21 performances have generally been impressive too. If bursting to the byline you are obviously relying on someone arriving for a cut back too. I think with Gilmour you could just instantly see that ridiculous ability on the ball, whereas with Doak you immediately see an incredible ability to dribble with the ball but with that you are always going to need to take risks and lose the ball at times. He is still very young, and it’ll be interesting how things go the next year or so. He definitely isn’t like an Oliver Burke, and is just all pace and athleticism - you can definitely see a good level of technical ability within him too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Problemo Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 48 minutes ago, 2426255 said: Football is quite event focused. Stuff off the ball is undervalued as people tend not too see that. The tactical side of the game might take time for some players to understand on the pitch. Where to be and so on so maybe there's an element of that too. The theory side. Something Burke struggled with I believe. Scotland u21 football isn't complicated tactically. Yeah, fair points - also hard to work out based on seeing someone a handful of times. Burke was also technically pretty terrible though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tree house tam Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 He needs a loan at St Johnstone for the second half of the season. That will help him find form before the Euros. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Ferguson's Hat Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 Not even on the bench today when some laddie from the North of Ireland even made it. Pretty concerning. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jives Miguel Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Mind when the mentalists on here wanted him in the squad immediately because Klopp played him in a few friendlies in pre-season and threw him on against Chelsea for 10 minutes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Jives Miguel said: Mind when the mentalists on here wanted him in the squad immediately because Klopp played him in a few friendlies in pre-season and threw him on against Chelsea for 10 minutes. I think fans were just getting a bit carried away. If he starts getting minutes in the Liverpool team you'll see that clamoring come back. It's always been that way and always will be I'd expect. It's the same with all teams. I sometimes think it's helpful for a spell out of the spotlight to let him develop. If he's not in the Liverpool or Scotland squad the voices go quiet, the discussion dies a death and he can just get on with his development without all the attention. Edited December 18, 2023 by 2426255 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 It's really not that unusual for young players at elite clubs to be called up before they've established themselves at club level. Bobb at City is the perfect example 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 With talk of a potential loan move, worth remembering Salah will be away to the AFCON in January as well so that will possibly allow him a bit more game time at Liverpool. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 1 hour ago, MarkoRaj said: It's really not that unusual for young players at elite clubs to be called up before they've established themselves at club level. Bobb at City is the perfect example It's a fair point. We've seen that at Scotland under Clarke with Gilmour the obvious example even if the 26-man squad and injuries played a part. Just have to wait and see, don't see a massive reason to rule out a call up or demand it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 4 hours ago, MarkoRaj said: Bobb at City is the perfect example Who at where? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 26 minutes ago, DiegoDiego said: Who at where? Oscar Bobb at Man City. Was Norway’s best player in the recent game at Hampden. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoP Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 7 hours ago, Jives Miguel said: Mind when the mentalists on here wanted him in the squad immediately because Klopp played him in a few friendlies in pre-season and threw him on against Chelsea for 10 minutes. Guilty your honour, it’s obvious now that Euro24 is gonna come too soon for him. It’s a shame cos our forward options are rank compared to pretty much everywhere else in the team* *provided Gunn and Gordon are fit next summer 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSJ.84 Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordopolis Posted December 20, 2023 Author Share Posted December 20, 2023 Lateral meniscus tear, so probs looking at 12 weeks out plus recovery. Don't think we'll see much of him before April unfortunately. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing.McCrosby Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Gordopolis said: Lateral meniscus tear, so probs looking at 12 weeks out plus recovery. Don't think we'll see much of him before April unfortunately. Anybody with medical knowledge give us an idea of what this means for him? I know that's on the knee so doesn't sound particularly good. Could this affect his future speed, acceleration or movement? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleedingums Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 Is this not the same injury that Gilmour had at a similar age? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing.McCrosby Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 Just now, bleedingums said: Is this not the same injury that Gilmour had at a similar age? I've not got a clue 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordopolis Posted December 20, 2023 Author Share Posted December 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Bing.McCrosby said: Anybody with medical knowledge give us an idea of what this means for him? I know that's on the knee so doesn't sound particularly good. Could this affect his future speed, acceleration or movement? I am recovering from it after suffering the same from running. Hurts like f**k and recovery is taking decking ages... but then I'm ancient compared to Doak. I think in a younger person, it heals much faster and can return to original levels without any loss of pace or agility (but that's only based on my layman knowledge of the condition) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleedingums Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Bing.McCrosby said: I've not got a clue I mean, Gilmour is rapid, so…. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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