Dev Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 54 minutes ago, glensmad said: It's not a technicality. They applied to join the league, the clubs accepted their application. If the clubs had voted against them, then they wouldn't have got in. The SoSFL were given the opportunity to have a boundary which the WoSFL would recognise, the same way as we do with the EoSFL, but the SoSFL said they didn't want a boundary. So we were duty bound to pass Threave's application to join the league onto the member clubs, and they accepted the application. We couldn't "politely tell Threave that they weren't in our catchment" (the way we have done when an East team has applied), because we wouldn't have been telling the truth. Any idea what happens if a club from the south is relegated from the Lowland League, having nominated, by the start of the season, the WoS as the league which moves down to in the event that it finishes in a relegation position in the LL? E.G. If Dalbeattie Star had nominated the WoS instead of the SoS? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 5 minutes ago, Kennie said: What new teams are we talking about anyway? Would these new teams have a better set-up than any that have already been accepted? Please make up your mind. Around the time the agreement with the Amateurs was announced this was said: On 06/03/2024 at 07:40, glensmad said: There has been a number of enquiries over the course of this season about joining the WoSFL. It would not be good practice for these clubs to be named on here. As for being dismissive on ground criteria. Not knowing the clubs, or the lengths a club would be willing to go to if they could apply. It's impossible to say. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 22 minutes ago, Kennie said: As Glensmad said there was no poaching by the WoSFL. The SoSFL were asked if they wanted a boundary, but they said no. Probably thinking they might pick up a couple of teams that thought going South would be a shortcut to the Lowland. Remember Wellington FC anyone? What do the WoS rules actually say about the size of the League and the matter of relegation from it and the matter of new clubs possibly coming in? Is there a link available showing the rules? Also, what is the current situation regarding any club which wishes to apply to join the WoS i.e. there were reports of working with others, outside the WoS, (Amateurs?) about this? The question of Regionalisation of the WoS has been mentioned from time to time. Is there any restriction at all on doing this? If Yes then what has to be done if the majority of WoS clubs decide they want this brought in e.g. at the lowest Division(s) level? I understand that you may not be in a position to respond meaningfully - no problem - but these are issues which have been raised on P&B and it would be good to see answers, if possible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennie Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 There's a link on the WoSFL website that'll take you to the rules. I don't know of any moves towards regionalisation. If a space becomes available there will be a procedure to follow for new applications. The sizes of the Divisions was agreed to be manageable and balanced. Bringing in new clubs would upset that balance and as would most likely to happen the slack would be taken up by the lowest league but that would only allow 2 or a max of 4 clubs before the fixtures would exceed the time available to play them. From my point of view the only way to increase the members would be to start another Division, but that would need at least 10 clubs to make it practical. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyro Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 So what happens if Broomhill are relegated next season and a EoS or SoS club win the playoff? Then they don't have a League to drop into because apparently the WoS is "full" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyro Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Or has no one within the league thought about that one yet and just hoping a WoS team goes up? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensmad Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 As Kennie said, all of the answers to your questions are in the WoSFL Constitution and Rules which are available on the WoSFL website. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westy1 Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Bring back the fitba!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyro Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 5 minutes ago, glensmad said: As Kennie said, all of the answers to your questions are in the WoSFL Constitution and Rules which are available on the WoSFL website. Why not just answer the simple question of what will happen if they come down and the league is full? Kennie's already admitted he can't get his head around not having leagues of 16 teams so something will have to give 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensmad Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Spyro said: Why not just answer the simple question of what will happen if they come down and the league is full? Kennie's already admitted he can't get his head around not having leagues of 16 teams so something will have to give If a team or teams is/are relegated into the WoSFL from the Lowland League, and no team is promoted from the WoSFL into the Lowland League, then 4 or (if necessary) 5 teams would be relegated from each league. That is in the Constitution and always has been since the inception of the league. It would make the structure 16 / 16 / 16 / 16 / 17 or 18. Edited May 20 by glensmad 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyro Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 7 minutes ago, glensmad said: If a team or teams is/are relegated into the WoSFL from the Lowland League, and no team is promoted from the WoSFL into the Lowland League, then 4 or (if necessary) 5 teams would be relegated from each league. That is in the Constitution and always has been since the inception of the league. It would make the structure 16 / 16 / 16 / 16 / 17 or 18. 1 hour ago, Kennie said: Nope, I can't work it out. That's why I asked. Is the full 5 Division set up to be rearranged to fit in 2 or 3 new clubs? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Absolute Imposter Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 3 hours ago, Spyro said: That team that ticked all the boxes and applied but were REJECTED by the clubs as they weren't within the catchment? The SOSFL mission statement clearly stated when Wellington applied that Glasgow was in their catchment area. As for ticking all the boxes; they didn't. Not 100% sure what was non-compliant but had nothing to do with catchment area. SOSFL at the set up of the WOSFL were happy to refrain from having boundaries with either the EOSFL and the WOSFL, I have been told one of the reasons was the SOSFL did not want to limit themselves to just D&G clubs and were happy to invite applications from clubs who maybe felt the WOSFL and EOSFL was not a suitable setup for them. As for Threave, there was nothing underhand, everyone in the SOSFL were fully aware of the clubs intention to apply to the WOSFL. At least one other SOSFL club discussed applying at committee level. Threave are still a member of the Southern Counties FA which makes them eligible to play in cup competitions. As far as I am aware there is no animosity across the Tier 6 Leagues. The pyramid needs a proper leadership from the SFA, it should not be left to volunteer run leagues to administer and shape the future of our football. Bring back the PWG and give it some balls this time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensmad Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Great Post, factually accurate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Absolute Imposter Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 10 hours ago, glensmad said: Great Post, factually accurate. It's not often I get accused of being factual or accurate. Cheques in the post. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 On 20/05/2024 at 18:23, Kennie said: There's a link on the WoSFL website that'll take you to the rules. I don't know of any moves towards regionalisation. If a space becomes available there will be a procedure to follow for new applications. The sizes of the Divisions was agreed to be manageable and balanced. Bringing in new clubs would upset that balance and as would most likely to happen the slack would be taken up by the lowest league but that would only allow 2 or a max of 4 clubs before the fixtures would exceed the time available to play them. From my point of view the only way to increase the members would be to start another Division, but that would need at least 10 clubs to make it practical. Cheers! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekfootball Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 On 20/05/2024 at 18:23, Kennie said: There's a link on the WoSFL website that'll take you to the rules. I don't know of any moves towards regionalisation. If a space becomes available there will be a procedure to follow for new applications. The sizes of the Divisions was agreed to be manageable and balanced. Bringing in new clubs would upset that balance and as would most likely to happen the slack would be taken up by the lowest league but that would only allow 2 or a max of 4 clubs before the fixtures would exceed the time available to play them. From my point of view the only way to increase the members would be to start another Division, but that would need at least 10 clubs to make it practical. No need to increase membership though, the WOSFL could start at letting teams go who don't meet certain criteria and then bring in more ambitious clubs. This is the issue with scottish football, everyone below the Premiership moans about play offs etc etc, but in reality when you get past league 1, no league helps there own argument. Lowland league winners moan about a play off, despite letting B teams in and only one automatic relegation place, with winners of three leagues(if they meet criteria obviously) having to play each other. West of Scotland winners moan about a play off to get promoted and moan about the fact the standard of the Lowland league in the bottom half is nowhere near the level of the top half of the West Prem. Lowland league accepted some crap clubs, just like the West of Scotland league did early on and now struggle to get rid of them due to only one relegation place. West of Scotland is stuck with a lot of these clubs now and are a closed shop for years to come with only the odd team maybe being admitted in to the league. The WOSFL opened up applications from amateur clubs, can they say how many applications they have? Could they accept applications at the beginning of the season 24/25 and tell division 4 clubs that from season 2025/26 there will be a division 5 and say they get 4 applications accepted, they make two leagues of 10(play teams 3 time each so still roughly same amount of games) relegating 6 clubs next year. This will then open up to further clubs applying in the future and increasing the size of division 4 and 5. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMP28 Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 On 18/03/2024 at 09:25, AMP28 said: St Peters have poached Knightswood managers and coaches, wonder if any players will follow them. So the manager who left knightswood for St Peter’s now not taking them next season. Knightswood already announced new manager for next season. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Scan Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 2 hours ago, AMP28 said: So the manager who left knightswood for St Peter’s now not taking them next season. Knightswood already announced new manager for next season. He has been away for weeks. Very strange state of affairs 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Absolute Imposter Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 As there is no agreed boundary between the WOSFL and the SOSFL, there is a path for clubs in the West to enter the pyramid. Any club in Dumfries & Galloway and the Strathclyde area can apply to join the SOSFL. I don't think the WOSFL would, could or even want to put forward any objections. The situation in the West with 2 Leagues covering the same areas is not preferable, it is where we are at though, until something changes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyro Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 13 hours ago, AMP28 said: So the manager who left knightswood for St Peter’s now not taking them next season. Knightswood already announced new manager for next season. They've been a breath of fresh air to the leagues. Where is THEIR ground again? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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