Angry Jim McLean Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 Just now, JS_FFC said: But we only ever play 1 CF at a time these days. You can’t take 4 players to play 1 role (4 GKs would also be ridiculous). I would be open to replacing Doak with a versatile forward who can play on the wing or through the middle if such a player exists. If you can think of one I’m all ears… I can see a scenario in the 2nd or 3rd game…after Adams has pulled up and we decide to maybe put two up top and go for it. Then we’ve used all our striking options. I think one more is needed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinabear Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 Delighted Conway has been called up. A positive call from Clarke 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 2 hours ago, JS_FFC said: We can argue the benefits of Gauld v Morgan v Danny Armstrong v Simon Murray but ultimately when people post that someone isn’t good enough, they are missing the point. We have already lost Ferguson, Dykes and Doak all from attacking positions, Armstrong hasn’t played in weeks due to injury, Adams is just back from injury, three of our attacking midfielders (McTominay, McGinn and Christie) usually play deeper roles for their clubs, and the likes of Harvey Barnes and Elliott Anderson don’t seem interested in playing for us at this point. Beggars can’t be choosers but surely whoever Clarke thinks is the best eligible attacking midfielder not in the squad is far more likely to be needed in Germany than a 7th CB or 4th GK. Given how injury prone most of those Centre backs are, I’m worried 7 isn’t enough. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
true fan Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 Pick 32. Trim it to 26 at cut off time. If injuries occur less trimming required. That way there is no hassle, no debate, no uncertainty (real or imagined). Manager doesn’t need to spend time justifying self to media. Supporters and media don’t get all hyperbolic. players know what is happening, go to tournament relaxed, tiny tiny bit more likely to succeed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Jim McLean Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 1 minute ago, true fan said: Pick 32. Trim it to 26 at cut off time. If injuries occur less trimming required. That way there is no hassle, no debate, no uncertainty (real or imagined). Manager doesn’t need to spend time justifying self to media. Supporters and media don’t get all hyperbolic. players know what is happening, go to tournament relaxed, tiny tiny bit more likely to succeed. Sounds all too sensible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogieB Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 I’m really concerned we are too light weight up top. McBurnie will be getting a call I think. Awful player but that’s where we are unfortunately ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie Kirk Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 25 minutes ago, JS_FFC said: But we only ever play 1 CF at a time these days. You can’t take 4 players to play 1 role (4 GKs would also be ridiculous). I would be open to replacing Doak with a versatile forward who can play on the wing or through the middle if such a player exists. Ryan Fraser 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lubo_blaha Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 A ‘come and get me’ plea? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chripper Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 12 minutes ago, Stevie Kirk said: Ryan Fraser The player who once pulled out a Scotland squad citing injury, only to be pictured training with Newcastle the very next day? He has no appetite to play for Scotland. Besides, he broke Steve Clarke's trust. There's no going back for Fraser. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 58 minutes ago, SlayerX said: So, let's say 3 players pull out of the squad on 6 June. That'll be 24 players. Leaving Clarke having to call up 2 players with potential no training with them. It should've been a squad of 36 with 14 days of training. The U21s have been training and will be up until their next game. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 34 minutes ago, true fan said: Pick 32. Trim it to 26 at cut off time. If injuries occur less trimming required. That way there is no hassle, no debate, no uncertainty (real or imagined). Manager doesn’t need to spend time justifying self to media. Supporters and media don’t get all hyperbolic. players know what is happening, go to tournament relaxed, tiny tiny bit more likely to succeed. The hassle is trying to train with 32 (or 28 or however many are fit) players, and then the important guys having less time to actually work with each other and take on information. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chripper Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 Just now, craigkillie said: The U21s have been training and will be up until their next game. It's not just about training, it's also.about socialising with team mates and getting to know them There's a reason why this bunch of players have reached two tournaments. They all know one other, they trust each other and they have a bond. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie Kirk Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 7 minutes ago, SlayerX said: The player who once pulled out a Scotland squad citing injury, only to be pictured training with Newcastle the very next day? He has no appetite to play for Scotland. Besides, he broke Steve Clarke's trust. There's no going back for Fraser. I don’t really care about this and a lot of it is rumour /speculation . We have an injury crisis on the verge of a major tournament and if Clarke thinks Fraser can do a job for us on the park he should bring him in . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chripper Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Stevie Kirk said: I don’t really care about this and a lot of it is rumour /speculation . We have an injury crisis on the verge of a major tournament and if Clarke thinks Fraser can do a job for us on the park he should bring him in . It's not rumour or speculation: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/nov/11/steve-clarke-unimpressed-with-ryan-frasers-scotland-withdrawal After this happened Fraser has never played for Scotland. It's hardly gossip. We need players that we can trust. What Fraser pulled would not have impressed McGinn, Robertson, McTominay or the rest of the squad. Regardless, Ryan Fraser is overrated. People claim that he's fast? He isn't. He's got wee legs that move like the clappers. Doesn't mean he's fast. He's not a very good dribbler, either. He can go back to Newcastle and train with them whilst the players who love playing for Scotland are flying to Germany. Edited June 4 by SlayerX 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 4 minutes ago, SlayerX said: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/nov/11/steve-clarke-unimpressed-with-ryan-frasers-scotland-withdrawal After this happened Fraser has never played for Scotland. It's hardly gossip. He played for Scotland in September and November 2022. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JS_FFC Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 1 minute ago, craigkillie said: He played for Scotland in September and November 2022. Has there been any suggestions of a further falling out since then? Seems weird that he seems to be excluded given that he’s been in the squad since the original fall out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chripper Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 (edited) Regarding Ryan Fraser. He's made his feelings about playing for Scotland clear: Saying that he doesn't care about Euro 24. No thank you. Let's face it, with Fraser it's not exactly a Michael Laudrup/Denmark 92 situation. Ryan Fraser is a Championship standard player. In terms of injuries, best case scenario would be to get to Friday. Play Finland. Finish the match with zero injury concerns added to the list. Then naming the 26 that will win Euro 24. Edited June 4 by SlayerX 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thruthenight Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 (edited) 1 hour ago, lubo_blaha said: A ‘come and get me’ plea? What'd he say, he's deleted it? In terms of the 26 squad, while yes we should be optimising it, I don't think it's too much of an issue if we're drafting an U21 player in if our injury problem somehow gets even worse. Not all of those 26 are going to see game time during the tournament. I'll be surprised if 20 do. While I say that, and I know McBurnie's been generally shit in a Scotland shirt, I'd still take him at this point in time. Leave Kelly & Cooper at home, bring McBurnie, the squad looks reasonable. Edited June 4 by thruthenight 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chripper Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 (edited) 1 hour ago, JS_FFC said: Has there been any suggestions of a further falling out since then? Seems weird that he seems to be excluded given that he’s been in the squad since the original fall out. I would assume that Steve did what Eddie Howe did when he initially got the Newcastle job. Only played Fraser because he needed to. Then discarding him after that. Expect to see Ryan Fraser out on loan in the Championship next season. I'm genuinely surprised so many Scotland fans would forgive him for his "Newcastle training" episode. His antics at the end of his Bournemouth career sums him up. He's a selfish little mercenary. A manager has to set standards, the players have to follow them. Can you imagine a Manchester United player pulling something similar during SAF's rein? The player's feet wouldn't touch the ground, and that's before SAF had his piece of flesh. Robertson, McGinn and McTominay are with top clubs who have high standards. I'd be shocked if any of those players didn't have a stern word with Fraser. Ryan Fraser must have rocks for brains if he thought he'd get away with it. Edited June 5 by SlayerX 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSJ.84 Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 10 hours ago, Lyle Lanley said: Didn’t know Liam Kelly can play upfront. Big Zander could do a job up there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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