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On 13/12/2023 at 12:11, EdinburghBlue said:

Tiny budgets.

Celtic aren't poor. Sure, they can't compete with the elite sides financially but they are a relatively wealthy club who should do far better than they do. The main problem is the lack of good home-grown talent. Look at the great players that Scotland produced in the past and how thin the pool of home-grown is now.

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5 hours ago, Pilgrim Ranger said:

Celtic aren't poor. Sure, they can't compete with the elite sides financially but they are a relatively wealthy club who should do far better than they do. The main problem is the lack of good home-grown talent. Look at the great players that Scotland produced in the past and how thin the pool of home-grown is now.

Agreed. But with a fairer distribution of sponsorship money, other clubs might be able to perform better than they do at present. 

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On 18/12/2023 at 03:25, Pilgrim Ranger said:

Celtic aren't poor. Sure, they can't compete with the elite sides financially but they are a relatively wealthy club who should do far better than they do. The main problem is the lack of good home-grown talent. Look at the great players that Scotland produced in the past and how thin the pool of home-grown is now.

I'm surprised Cetic's B team hasn't started producing the conveyor belt of Scottish talent we were promised...

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We play teams halfway into there season and aren't up to speed this is a problem especially for the smaller sides allthough it looks like even in the diddy cup we might see Hearts or Aberdeen eventually get out the group maybe next year if Aberdeen pull there fingers out and actually reach it

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10 hours ago, General dissaray said:

We play teams halfway into there season and aren't up to speed this is a problem especially for the smaller sides

This would be a fine theory, were it not for the fact it's essentially complete b*llocks.

"Smaller sides" in the last few seasons have beaten the likes of Hacken, Breidalbik, Viking Stavangar and Rosenborg in qualifying rounds... Aberdeen conversely failed to win either group game against Helsinki despite their domestic campaign having ended. To be precise over the last 6 seasons non-OF clubs have won 8 out of 11 qualifying round ties against clubs from spring-autumn leagues.

Aberdeen
have beaten ROPS, Chikhura, Runavik, Viking Stavangar, Hacken, Breidalbik
have lost to Hacken

Hearts
have beaten Rosenborg

Hibs
have beaten Runavik
have lost to Molde

Motherwell
have lost to Sligo

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28 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said:

This would be a fine theory, were it not for the fact it's essentially complete b*llocks.

"Smaller sides" in the last few seasons have beaten the likes of Hacken, Breidalbik, Viking Stavangar and Rosenborg in qualifying rounds... Aberdeen conversely failed to win either group game against Helsinki despite their domestic campaign having ended. To be precise over the last 6 seasons non-OF clubs have won 8 out of 11 qualifying round ties against clubs from spring-autumn leagues.

Aberdeen
have beaten ROPS, Chikhura, Runavik, Viking Stavangar, Hacken, Breidalbik
have lost to Hacken

Hearts
have beaten Rosenborg

Hibs
have beaten Runavik
have lost to Molde

Motherwell
have lost to Sligo

I think you misread it was saying there getting closer which they are Aberdeen were unlucky 

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Simple answer is ball technique 

We don’t learn enough of that as kids 

We've professional players who can’t trap a ball!

Id add to that having a long term national style of play would help greatly 

A culture of how we want to play the game so basic things become second nature 

 

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On 04/01/2024 at 01:28, General dissaray said:

We play teams halfway into there season and aren't up to speed this is a problem especially for the smaller sides allthough it looks like even in the diddy cup we might see Hearts or Aberdeen eventually get out the group maybe next year if Aberdeen pull there fingers out and actually reach it

it's also a myth, hardly any countries  in Europe play a calendar year season and the number has actually decreased in recent years. only Ireland and the nordics still do it, Denmark switched to a winter one a few years back

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1 hour ago, effeffsee_the2nd said:

it's also a myth, hardly any countries  in Europe play a calendar year season and the number has actually decreased in recent years. only Ireland and the nordics still do it, Denmark switched to a winter one a few years back

It's now limited to Eire, parts of Scandinavia and parts of the former Soviet Union... of the top 30 leagues by UEFA coefficient just Norway (15th) and Sweden (24th) don't play a regular season.

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