willywastecoat Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, AJF said: but just sub the decision from a disallowed goal to a disallowed penalty. So not the exact same, you're grasping M8, I still think Scotland's goal should've stood giving off-side for a player that was no where near the ball is a very extreme example. Plus lets be honest the keeper wasn't anywhere near it either. Edited December 31, 2023 by willywastecoat -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketheheadlesschicken Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Showing the image of Sima being offside doesn’t mean that they changed the reason for not awarding the penalty. The SFA have already said that VAR didn’t view it as a clear and obvious error. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velo army Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 @AJF apologies for the lack of clarity but I wasn't referring to the match thread, rather the Twitter sphere and general media. Sky were all over it, even showing it in the second half in case Rangers fans were at risk of moving on from it. It's where we are now that an arm can come up accidentally and nudge the ball and it's a penalty. An awful corruption of the spirits of the laws, frankly. I do agree with VincentGuerin that nowadays "match events" is a synonym for refereeing decisions. On this thread there hasn't been a lot of chat about Gers' tactics or your midfield passing being shocking at times (and at fucking chest height). Your finishing was terrible and is the main reason you got nothing. The penalty decision is being disproportionately focussed on. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 28 minutes ago, AJF said: Quite possibly, I’m just going from memory where I recall they were writing to UEFA about it. They didn't write to UEFA. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainbowrising Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 7 minutes ago, miketheheadlesschicken said: Showing the image of Sima being offside doesn’t mean that they changed the reason for not awarding the penalty. The SFA have already said that VAR didn’t view it as a clear and obvious error. Sevco fans can't believe a game went by without them getting a penalty. If VAR had been called in the Ref would review the build up and offside awarded. I see Balogun is filmed clearly spitting at fans as he left the pitch. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 38 minutes ago, houston_bud said: Would it? Or because it the VAR decision was not to give a penalty do they stick with the onfield decision? That's a genuine question, I don't know the answer. Ultimately, not to award the penalty was the right call. Rangers jumping up and down, demanding the audio doesn't change that. If there were problems, that's for the SFA to deal with, not Rangers. celtic player punches the ball out of play, no penalty. 30 minutes later we're told that Sima was offside before the penalty call and that's why it wasn't given. 2 hours later we're told that Colum believed that the ref never made a clear and obvious error as Johnstons hand was in a natural position and didn't need to be looked at again. Every other team in the country would be asking questions in those circumstances. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJF Posted December 31, 2023 Author Share Posted December 31, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, velo army said: @AJF apologies for the lack of clarity but I wasn't referring to the match thread, rather the Twitter sphere and general media. Sky were all over it, even showing it in the second half in case Rangers fans were at risk of moving on from it. It's where we are now that an arm can come up accidentally and nudge the ball and it's a penalty. An awful corruption of the spirits of the laws, frankly. I do agree with VincentGuerin that nowadays "match events" is a synonym for refereeing decisions. On this thread there hasn't been a lot of chat about Gers' tactics or your midfield passing being shocking at times (and at fucking chest height). Your finishing was terrible and is the main reason you got nothing. The penalty decision is being disproportionately focussed on. No need for apologies mate, totally appreciate where you are coming from. Personally I’m more irked by Celtic not having a man sent off rather than the ultimately correct call not to award the penalty. But appreciate people see the fouls differently. ETA: in terms of the criticisms they are justified, although I really don’t think there was too much between the sides. Sterling seemed fine in midfield, it was further forward I felt most of our issues were. We had probably 3 chances where we really should’ve scored but squandered it which ultimately means you deserve nothing. I am hopeful that Rodger’s post match comments come back to bite him though, he seems to have decided that he has now seen off our manager despite Celtic not exactly being great yesterday. The potential gap is 2 points if we are lucky enough to win both our games in hand. Seems pretty early to come out with that kind of stuff. Edited December 31, 2023 by AJF 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, velo army said: @AJF apologies for the lack of clarity but I wasn't referring to the match thread, rather the Twitter sphere and general media. Sky were all over it, even showing it in the second half in case Rangers fans were at risk of moving on from it. It's where we are now that an arm can come up accidentally and nudge the ball and it's a penalty. An awful corruption of the spirits of the laws, frankly. I do agree with VincentGuerin that nowadays "match events" is a synonym for refereeing decisions. On this thread there hasn't been a lot of chat about Gers' tactics or your midfield passing being shocking at times (and at fucking chest height). Your finishing was terrible and is the main reason you got nothing. The penalty decision is being disproportionately focussed on. Just what I was thinking. Clemente and Rangers heavily deflecting on the basic fact that they were not good enough to not lose the game. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peil Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 I think we shoud all be thankful that it isn't the ballboys being blamed 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 1 minute ago, bennett said: celtic player punches the ball Every other team in the country would be asking questions in those circumstances. Aberdeen have a penalty claim at yesterday's match. "Might have been given, might not. Let's move on." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gannonball Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 There has (rightly) been scrutiny of late over Sevco not conceding a penalty in 80 odd games which must be a record in senior football so they were always going to attempt some sort of deflection after the derby if they lost. Moaning about decisions which were ultimately correct though really does the opposite of what they were trying to achieve. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketheheadlesschicken Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, bennett said: 30 minutes later we're told that Sima was offside before the penalty call and that's why it wasn't given. Who said that the penalty wasn’t given because of the offside? I haven’t seen that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Just checking to see if "if this was any other game that would be a penalty/red card" was still the main theme. Yup. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, kingjoey said: Aberdeen have a penalty claim at yesterday's match. "Might have been given, might not. Let's move on." You've had plenty to say about decisions in the past, saying "let's move on" doesn't really wash. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willywastecoat Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, velo army said: @AJF apologies for the lack of clarity but I wasn't referring to the match thread, rather the Twitter sphere and general media. Sky were all over it, even showing it in the second half in case Rangers fans were at risk of moving on from it. It's where we are now that an arm can come up accidentally and nudge the ball and it's a penalty. An awful corruption of the spirits of the laws, frankly. I do agree with VincentGuerin that nowadays "match events" is a synonym for refereeing decisions. On this thread there hasn't been a lot of chat about Gers' tactics or your midfield passing being shocking at times (and at fucking chest height). Your finishing was terrible and is the main reason you got nothing. The penalty decision is being disproportionately focussed on. The game itself was poor M8,Celtic giving the ball away just as much as sevco,Celtic's season so far has been a failure, St Brendan is a downgrade on Ange. IMO, Celtic will be better after the break. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJF Posted December 31, 2023 Author Share Posted December 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, throbber said: Yeah that chance he squandered was criminal, awful decision making and just looked out of his depth. He isn’t exactly young either. A serious lack of firepower up front. Yep. I’m hopeful Clement can put his own stamp on the side in the window to improve this aspect. Fabio Silva doesn’t seem to have a great scoring record so I’m unsure if he will be the only or main attacking signing. I’d say Clement has made a really strong start as Rangers manager and he has got a lot out of a squad that is badly unbalanced. Hopefully he can sort that with his own signings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 9 minutes ago, gannonball said: There has (rightly) been scrutiny of late over Sevco not conceding a penalty in 80 odd games which must be a record in senior football so they were always going to attempt some sort of deflection after the derby if they lost. Moaning about decisions which were ultimately correct though really does the opposite of what they were trying to achieve. I noticed this narrative starting to appear online last night amongst celtic fans. As was mentioned yesterday, their ability to set the narrative is amazing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gannonball Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 (edited) On 29/12/2023 at 18:57, well again said: Why would Abada want to play in front of the roasters that frequent that den of iniquity. On 29/12/2023 at 22:19, well again said: And how hard do you expect him to try if he is receiving dogs abuse from 60,000 bigots? These posts aged well. He rightly got the biggest applause out of everyone announced over the tannoy yesterday. Edited December 31, 2023 by gannonball 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, AJF said: Yep. I’m hopeful Clement can put his own stamp on the side in the window to improve this aspect. Fabio Silva doesn’t seem to have a great scoring record so I’m unsure if he will be the only or main attacking signing. I’d say Clement has made a really strong start as Rangers manager and he has got a lot out of a squad that is badly unbalanced. Hopefully he can sort that with his own signings. That'll probably take a few windows and we'll struggle to unload Lammers and Dessers. Ryan Jack when fit is one of best midfielders in the country but injure prone players like him and Roofe just aren't reliable enough. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, gannonball said: These posts aged well. He rightly got the biggest applause out of everyone over the tannoy yesterday. The thought of you sitting there measuring the decibel level of every cheer has cheered me up. Have a like. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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