RedLichtie86 Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 If Steve Clarke is to remain in charge, going forward what sort of formation and starting XI do we go for. The Clarke 5-2-2-1 with the Wing Backs and narrow midfield. A 4-5-1, 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3? And who would you have in your starting XI if all Scottish players are available. Be good to hear peoples reasoned arguements for the players they have selected. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordopolis Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 (edited) Would like to trial 4231 as an option, with an emphasis on width high up, pace, crossing, and a central goal threat. Gunn Hickey Hanley McKenna Tierney Gilmour McGregor/McGinn Doak Ferguson/McTominay Robertson Conway Edited June 24 by Gordopolis 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadouken_ Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 It’s not about formation it’s about style of play and picking players who suit the style. Stop playing favourites and give other players opportunities and pick players who suit the style even if they play at a lower level than an other player in the position. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 We should be playing a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1. We need to bring Doak in. He's obviously raw but he'll give us something we're sorely lacking, a bit of pace, ability on the ball and creativity on the final 3rd. We should also be getting Harvey Barnes on the phone and asking him if he fancies going to a world cup because we could have really done with a player like that last night. The thought of a midfield 3 of Ferguson, Gilmour, and McTominay is giving me a semi. The backing is obviously going to be Gunn, two class full backs and two plodding, meat and potatoes centre halves. We just need to live with that. Up front, we'll need to experiment. Maybe Conway can be the guy. Not convinced. Can we at least try McTominay up there and see if it works? Maybe it'll still be Dykes running about up there like a daftie. Shankland and Adams are decent players but they're not the answer. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Scotch Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 1 hour ago, Gordopolis said: Would like to trial 4231 as an option, with an emphasis on width high up, pace, crossing, and a central goal threat. Gunn Hickey Hanley McKenna Tierney Gilmour McGregor/McGinn Doak Ferguson/McTominay Robertson Conway This team is making me horny as f**k, get this tried oot Stevie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 A bunch of 5th rate English born players and Connor Barron at defensive midfield -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 10 minutes ago, Binos said: A bunch of 5th rate English born players and Connor Barron at defensive midfield Hopefully Rangers can get their B team back in the Lowland League so Barron can get some games under his belt before the world cup. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 https://www.kicker.de/st-pauli-banks-wird-fest-verpflichtet-1034078/artikel#twfeed Scott Banks gonna be playing in the Bundesliga next season. Might be an unexpected one to break into the group if he does well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewanandmoreagain Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 1 hour ago, Gordopolis said: Would like to trial 4231 as an option, with an emphasis on width high up, pace, crossing, and a central goal threat. Gunn Hickey Hanley McKenna Tierney Gilmour McGregor/McGinn Doak Ferguson/McTominay Robertson Conway If we have both Tierney and Robertson ( and Hickey / Patterson ) fit we can stay with the present formation. If not 4 - 2 - 3 - 1 could be tried with the above players and Christie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLichtie86 Posted June 24 Author Share Posted June 24 6 minutes ago, itzdrk said: https://www.kicker.de/st-pauli-banks-wird-fest-verpflichtet-1034078/artikel#twfeed Scott Banks gonna be playing in the Bundesliga next season. Might be an unexpected one to break into the group if he does well. As he is eligible to play for Wales we may need to try and tie him down soon if he is rated highly enough. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewanandmoreagain Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 Just now, RedLichtie86 said: As he is eligible to play for Wales we may need to try and tie him down soon if he is rated highly enough. If he plays abroad get him tied down asap ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 Could Tierney and Robertson play in a back four? As long as you have others to cover set pieces, like Dykes and McT, do we need two big defenders? -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogoftheskye Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 Would quite like an end to the Robertson/Tierney dilemma once and for all and just play one or the other which, based on fitness, is mostly likely to be Robertson. How long has this been a thing now? 8 years? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 Yeah but its been a thing because they've been our best two players and they play well together 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogoftheskye Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 7 minutes ago, allyo said: Yeah but its been a thing because they've been our best two players and they play well together And consequently we're cursed if one of them is missing and we have no clue how to adapt. And anyway that left side counter-attack thing has been comprehensively found out by the opposition. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 Just now, ogoftheskye said: And consequently we're cursed if one of them is missing and we have no clue how to adapt. And anyway that left side counter-attack thing has been comprehensively found out by the opposition. If it has been found out, then surely that means teams are focusing more resources on that area, which in theory makes it easier for us on the other side of the pitch? Robertson and Tierney are generally fantastic on the left, if they're both fit I don't think we should be reinventing the wheel. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 Just now, ogoftheskye said: And consequently we're cursed if one of them is missing and we have no clue how to adapt. And anyway that left side counter-attack thing has been comprehensively found out by the opposition. You might be right. But my suggestion is that we don't play a system to accommodate them both. We play with a four and maybe they can both still be in it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogoftheskye Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 12 minutes ago, DiegoDiego said: If it has been found out, then surely that means teams are focusing more resources on that area, which in theory makes it easier for us on the other side of the pitch? Robertson and Tierney are generally fantastic on the left, if they're both fit I don't think we should be reinventing the wheel. Tierney frequently isn't fit. And it's hardly reinventing the wheel to play a different system if he's absent which, let's face it, he will be. A lot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 3 minutes ago, ogoftheskye said: Tierney frequently isn't fit. And it's hardly reinventing the wheel to play a different system if he's absent which, let's face it, he will be. A lot. I was saying if they're both fit we don't need to reinvent the wheel just because it's been "figured out". Obviously if one is injured we need to have other ideas. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuttonDressedAsLahm Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 (edited) We very clearly need a 3atb setup AND a 4atb setup. I completely understand the 'formations aren't played on paper' argument that keeps ongoing around in circles, but it's obvious (and observable) that when we want to attack someone (out of desire or necessity) we switch to 4atb. We need both, because there's merit and value in both. One is distinctly defensive and there will be time we need it - the other allows another midfield/attacking option on the pitch. No amount of 'players and positions are fluid' is going to change that. Besides, as we've discovered too often, when forced to play 3atb without Tierney, it's dull and turgid stuff. Also, we've been massively found out. Teams are changing their tactics to play us. At first that seems like a complement, but in reality it's not - it has become so simple to overcome. If it wasn't, we wouldn't be where we are. If we have a Plan B that is the counter to how teams setup against our Plan A, then that is the perfect setup. Unless you're Spain or Man City, then you need to be able to switch approaches to combat the opposition. Stagnant/fixed arrangements are either arrogance, lazyness, genius, or a lack of talent. Which are we? As above - build a team around McTominay, Gilmour, Ferguson, and Doak. Robertson/Tierney/Hickey/Patterson/Doig/Johnston will always be needed as unless we're playing wingers in a 3atb, we're always going to need full backs. Right now, our two centre halves can come from a few options and they're all much of a muchness. We don't need to kick anyone out, but we do need to re-balance. We need directness, pace, and inventiveness. If that means that McGregor, McGinn, or Tierney needs to be benched, then so be it. Edited June 24 by HuttonDressedAsLahm 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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