picklish Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 4 hours ago, GiGi said: Labour leaflet in the door. "We will focus on what unites us as a country - not what divides us" What the f**k would that be, exactly? They didn't bother telling me who the local candidate is, they're betting the house on Sarwar 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 The Tories could well win in Hartlepool, but individual constituency polling is pretty volatile and the aforementioned poll has a relatively small sample size. Whilst I have some doubts about Starmer, I don't think it would have been much different for Labour under either of the candidates who stood against him for the leadership - probably a bit worse. I'm also pretty sceptical about polling voters on individual policies, such as free broadband. Most voters might support it in theory, but simultaneously not think that it should be a priority or fully trust certain parties to deliver it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 Brexit plus Tory had 7000 votes more than Labour in 2019. It's the Tories to lose. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 The banter outcome is still that the NIP vote costs Labour the seat. I don't think it's likely but it's about time the wreckers started directly facing the consequences for what they did. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Starmer is the biggest fucking let down since the Morocco game in WC '98. Presumably he has actually heard of the English Civil War? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 48 minutes ago, G51 said: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 On the subject of talking to parents, my dad spoke about Labour the other week. He said that when he was younger, Labour was the party of the "ordinary working man". That isn't the case these days. They've become a talking shop for *minor* issues only (his words). The people who were for the ordinary working man in the 80s are still there, but the working man has moved on from the heavy industry days. By minor issues I think he's talking about foodbanks and the like which are very important, but aren't gonna win anyone an election. Put bluntly, he isn't sure what Labour is for nowadays either, but knows what they were for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, scottsdad said: On the subject of talking to parents, my dad spoke about Labour the other week. He said that when he was younger, Labour was the party of the "ordinary working man". That isn't the case these days. They've become a talking shop for *minor* issues only (his words). The people who were for the ordinary working man in the 80s are still there, but the working man has moved on from the heavy industry days. By minor issues I think he's talking about foodbanks and the like which are very important, but aren't gonna win anyone an election. Put bluntly, he isn't sure what Labour is for nowadays either, but knows what they were for. Did he vote for them 2015-2019? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Just now, NotThePars said: Did he vote for them 2015-2019? No, he's been SNP since about 2005. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsenal till I die Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Boo Khaki said: Starmer is the biggest fucking let down since the Morocco game in WC '98. Presumably he has actually heard of the English Civil War? "Is the leadership challenge going in? Oh yes it is!" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongeheid15 Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 1 hour ago, scottsdad said: No, he's been SNP since about 2005. One of the sheep 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 One of the sheep [emoji207][emoji207]Any idea of who you will be voting for@spongeheid15 ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongeheid15 Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 1 minute ago, John Lambies Doos said: Any idea of who you will be voting for@spongeheid15 ? Anybody bar Nicoliar 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Anybody bar Nicoliar Are you in her constituency? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapelhall chap Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, G51 said: I kind of know what Ash means but as I presume that is Charles 1 , then he was executed by the English State and of course James 11 was overthrown by the English state for having the wrong faith, but I suppose since 1707 the "British " monarchy has been fairly stable, though not always inspiring faith in it. Keir is talking tripe. The monarchy is institutionally un egalitarian and tied up in hereditary privilege which the "British" people may be unconcerned about that but should he? Maybe Ash is a bit "Anglo" equals "British" as well Edited April 12, 2021 by Chapelhall chap Lack of understanding 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 15 hours ago, spongeheid15 said: One of the sheep Righty-oh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 16 hours ago, spongeheid15 said: One of the sheep 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 (edited) 15 hours ago, Chapelhall chap said: I kind of know what Ash means but as I presume that is Charles 1 , then he was executed by the English State and of course James 11 was overthrown by the English state for having the wrong faith, but I suppose since 1707 the "British " monarchy has been fairly stable, though not always inspiring faith in it. Keir is talking tripe. The monarchy is institutionally un egalitarian and tied up in hereditary privilege which the "British" people may be unconcerned about that but should he? Maybe Ash is a bit "Anglo" equals "British" as well To be fair, the Union of the Crowns had already happened in 1603 so she’s correct in that there was a British monarch and the two countries were in “personal” union when Charlie got his head chopped off and James II was deposed. Post 1707 though, there were significant republican movements in the 1870s because Victorian did f**k all. The government shat itself and convinced her to engage in a PR blitz of carriage riding and waving and the proles soon realised what a difficult and valuable job she had. Edited April 13, 2021 by Antlion 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Pato said: Absolutely. I can't get my head round folk like David Starkey who think that was the absolute high point of British civilisation then you see photos from the time of the desperate poverty normal people lived in. The whole thing was a sham to make 1000 people very rich from the start, it's nonsense. Aye, the UK fetishisation of the past seems to have really gone mental post empire, when folk saw Britain declining as a world power and hurriedly put on the rose-tinted specs to lionise the supposedly glorious past. Not so glorious if you were scratching a living in Whitechapel or the highlands, or happened to be a minority. It’s no surprise that a lot of UK nationalists’ go-to arguments are based on the past (“three hundred years of shared history and culture! Wasn’t it glorious? The most successful union everrrr! Wasn’t it glorious? Fighting Hitler! Wasn’t it glorious? We kicked f**k out them darkies in Bongo Bongo Land! Wasn’t it - sorry, didn’t mean to say that one out loud.”) Edited April 13, 2021 by Antlion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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