What is the point of labour ?

[lichtgilphead]

50 minutes ago, Detournement said:

It's genius.

There are six seats in Strathclyde where less than 200 rabid Celtic fans switching from SNP to Labour results in an SNP gain. All the Staunch mob already vote Tory so they are an irrelevance.

You might want to correct that, H_B?

Obviously "SNP Gain" is a far more common saying in Scotland than "Labour gain" over the last few years, but that doesn't excuse such an obvious mistake.

[Detournement]

7 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said:

You might want to correct that, H_B?

Obviously "SNP Gain" is a far more common saying in Scotland than "Labour gain" over the last few years, but that doesn't excuse such an obvious mistake.

Aye you're right silly typo. 

You are wrong about the HB thing. 

 

[Colkitto]

Kamikaze Unionists

[AUFC90]

You might want to correct that, H_B?
Obviously "SNP Gain" is a far more common saying in Scotland than "Labour gain" over the last few years, but that doesn't excuse such an obvious mistake.

The SNP will get their vote out at the next election and trounce your mob. If there's one thing for sure regarding the next election, it will be that Labour will have a "bad night" and that's being kind.
Who would've have thought Scottish Labour could get worse than Johanne Lammont, Jim Murphy and even Keiza Dugdale and along comes Tricky Dicky, literally the biggest non entity to ever lead any Scottish political party.
You're literally batting for an entire party of useless, unelectable charlatans who care more about "opposing independence" than anything else.
Good luck convincing anyone else

[doulikefish]

Some bloke quit the day ive never heard of because of Londons interference.You honestly couldnt make this up [emoji23]

[lichtgilphead]

6 minutes ago, AUFC90 said:

The SNP will get their vote out at the next election and trounce your mob. If there's one thing for sure regarding the next election, it will be that Labour will have a "bad night" and that's being kind.
Who would've have thought Scottish Labour could get worse than Johanne Lammont, Jim Murphy and even Keiza Dugdale and along comes Tricky Dicky, literally the biggest non entity to ever lead any Scottish political party.
You're literally batting for an entire party of useless, unelectable charlatans who care more about "opposing independence" than anything else.
Good luck convincing anyone else

"My mob" is the SNP. 

I was taking the piss out of H_B's ridiculous claim.

[Ira Gaines]

HB

[AUFC90]

"My mob" is the SNP. 
I was taking the piss out of H_B's ridiculous claim.

I mean to quote HB [emoji23]

[dorlomin]

On 08/08/2019 at 19:17, Detournement said:

All the Staunch mob already vote Tory so they are an irrelevance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasgow_South_West_(UK_Parliament_constituency)

Glasgow South West covers Govan and Ibrox. 

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    SNP    Chris Stephens    14,386    40.7    Decrease16.5
Labour Co-op    Matt Kerr    14,326    40.5    Increase7.7
Conservative    Thomas Haddow    5,524    15.6    Increase10.6
Liberal Democrat    Ben Denton-Cardew    661    1.9    Increase0.9
UKIP    Sarah Hemy    481    1.4    Decrease1.0

If you are saying there are 5500 Rangers fans in all of that region of Glasgow, then Id dispute that. If you are saying something about the anti Catholic fringe of the support then you are suggesting that it is indeed a "small minority" blah blah blah. 

There is no Glasgow Westminster constituency that the tories got more than 20% of the vote. 

 

[Detournement]

14 minutes ago, dorlomin said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasgow_South_West_(UK_Parliament_constituency)

Glasgow South West covers Govan and Ibrox. 

If you are saying there are 5500 Rangers fans in all of that region of Glasgow, then Id dispute that. If you are saying something about the anti Catholic fringe of the support then you are suggesting that it is indeed a "small minority" blah blah blah. 

There is no Glasgow Westminster constituency that the tories got more than 20% of the vote. 

 

The Loyalist/Orange element of the Rangers support is obviously a minority the same as the hardcore Republican element is a small part of the Celtic support. If it wasn't the walks would be absolutely mobbed and their would be more than a handful of pubs from each side with links to Ulster. The majority of Old Firm fans will never set foot in places like the Bristol Bar, Walkers, the Stanley or the Brazen Head. The vast majority of the people in the city live, work, socialise, drink, shag and marry without a thought for sectarianism.

The Tory vote in the west of Scotland is mainly comprised of god botherers, pensioners, orange/loyalists and people such as yourself.

[Baxter Parp]

Labour MP John Mann Admits He May Support Boris Johnson In Vote Of No Confidence

Apparently there's three more that will join him too.

[AMMjag]

On 08/08/2019 at 20:18, Detournement said:

 

You are wrong about the HB thing. 

 

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Labour MP John Mann Admits He May Support Boris Johnson In Vote Of No Confidence

Apparently there's three more that will join him too.

Not surprised by this at all - an utter w****r of a man.

[Detournement]

He obviously knows he's getting challenged and removed as Labour candidate in the event of any election.

 

[Detournement]

The point of Labour is to stop the Tories putting the state pension age up to 75.

[Detournement]

3 minutes ago, MixuFixit said:

For 5 years till the Tories get back in and put it back up, by which time Labour will have centrist leadership again and will contest elections on only raising it to 74..

Versus just letting it happen by a party which has no interest in delivering a second referendum any time soon and are tied to the Growth Commission plan for neoliberal, permanent austerity Scotland.

As i've said there are plenty of Labour achievements which haven't been undone despite Tory wishes and only will be undone if too many people forget about class politics and how every single decent thing about this country was achieved.

[Detournement]

Just now, MixuFixit said:

What sort of achievements are you thinking of when you say they haven't been undone?

 

As we are already discussing it the state pension. The current age increase isn't great but plans to raise it to 75 are obscene.

It's taken 40 years of Thatcherism to get to this point. It's time to start fighting back by putting some socialists in government before it's too late.

[Detournement]

2 minutes ago, MixuFixit said:

I don't see how raising it repeatedly isn't the Tories undoing it.


Did Labour do anything to help WASPI women after the 1995 changes?

It obviously is them undoing it but they haven't been completely successful yet.

Equalising the age was always going to leave some people feeling hard done by. I'm not sure what could be done other than more publicity.

[Ira Gaines]

If I lived in England, I probably wouldn't think twice about sending a begrudging vote towards Labour. But the absolute disgrace of a party on this side of the border... not sure I could even vote for them with the same options.

[Detournement]

5 minutes ago, MixuFixit said:

Seems to me that Labour had a long time to do something about WASPI while in power and didn't, so I'm not particularly convinced that they'll do anything better in future.

It always boils down to the same thing. England's very strongly structured by class so there is always going to be periods of Tory control. They've learned after Orgreave that it's dangerous to do things quickly so they are dedicated over the next half century to chip away at things every time they get in power. Over the long term, they're in power more often than Labour is, so the UK gets incrementally more Tory stuff. Labour could and probably will enact radical change when they next get in, but for the reasons above it won't matter in the long term.

Hence why voting SNP till independence then ditching them is the way to go, while wishing England's social democrats the best of luck and setting them an example to refer to.

That's not how I see it. We have a great opportunity for a socialist government very soon that can easily improve the lives of millions. It's surely worth getting onboard with that at least for the next Westminster election where independence isn't on the agenda but pensions, the NHS, wages, housing, investment are in play.

I also don't think binning the SNP and then going for socialism will be as easy you think. Sterlingisation is the main hurdle and the SNP's catnip combination of centrism and nationalism is another one. I would also expect big capital and their political and media representatives to take a far greater interest in Scotland and push more resources here if we ever get independence. Scotland is also very strongly structured by class.